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[Skybird74]

[quote=bryant;112885]

Originally Posted by mjekaraoke

Marco, really curious if you have an antivirus running in the background?

I hope "Marco" realizes the quote above is from him & not Skybird74

[bryant]

[quote=Skybird74;112889]

Originally Posted by bryant

I hope "Marco" realizes the quote above is from him & not Skybird74

Thanx.

[bryant]

I never have anything running in the background. I stopped using 5.07 a month ago. I have been using 5.08B1 with no crashes. It crashed only when using BA (I would stop & start it several times) & also used Tempo during the same Show. I have been running BA the last 4 shows with no problems, but I also I turn down the volume & keep BA running, when I have to play a disk in my separate player (instead of hitting Stop). [/quote]

I see. Because the only thing I have been doing different the last four shows is that I have completely disabled McAfee and VirtualDJ.

Last night I put VirtualDJ back into the picture by playing a video and an mp3 with slideshow before the show and left it on and up as I usually do. For the 4th consecutive night with McAfee disabled, I had no crashes. I even played a song from the songlist using the yellow play button when the current song had less than two seconds to go and that didn't start any trouble. Did a lot of songlist editing and movement and instabutton playing too. I'll continue this or Wed. and Thurs. gig and hope for the best. Then I'll put McAfee back on again and see what happens. It just seems that so far when McAfee has been disabled that I have remained "crash-less".

Before this, there were crashes on both 5.07 and 5.08betas too.

Anyone else out there run shows with 5.07 and have McAfee enabled. On new computers, the only way to not have it on is to uncheck it from the startup services.

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by bryant

Anyone else out there run shows with 5.07 and have McAfee enabled. On new computers, the only way to not have it on is to uncheck it from the startup services.

I've got McAfee running, not had any problems, I changed to it because what I had before was causing problems.
I haven't done this but you can try turning real time scanning off while at your show. Click the real time scanning, then real time scanning settings, then the turn Off button then select either "when I restart or never," if you choose the later don't forget to turn it on again after your show.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

I've got McAfee running, not had any problems, I changed to it because what I had before was causing problems.
I haven't done this but you can try turning real time scanning off while at your show. Click the real time scanning, then real time scanning settings, then the turn Off button then select either "when I restart or never," if you choose the later don't forget to turn it on again after your show.

Hmmm, what this is actually telling me that the last four nights being completely crash-less with McAfee disabled, may be just a coincidence, and further crashes are inevitable, as I was getting before when McAfee was enabled.

Roy, talk me out of this thought process!

[bryant]

"The only thing I have been doing different the last four shows is that I have completely disabled McAfee and VirtualDJ.

Last night I put VirtualDJ back into the picture by playing a video and an mp3 with slideshow before the show and left it on and up as I usually do. For the 4th consecutive night with McAfee disabled, I had no crashes. I even played a song from the songlist using the yellow play button when the current song had less than two seconds to go and that didn't start any trouble. Did a lot of songlist editing and movement and instabutton playing too. I'll continue this or Wed. and Thurs. gig and hope for the best. Then I'll put McAfee back on again and see what happens. It just seems that so far when McAfee has been disabled that I have remained "crash-less"."

For those following my posts and programmers trying to resolve:
The above italicized post referred to Tuesday night's gig.

On Wenesday night: Used the same scenario (no McAfee AND Vdj running in background) . Played a few videos and mp3's with a slideshow going (done before show while VDJ simply stays up on laptop screen behind Hoster as always done before).
There were no crashes with 57 singers over four hours.

On Thursday night: Precisely the same scenario.
Two hours into the show there was a Hoster must close crash, as before. The song was a GDCDG and it was "In Heaven There Is No Beer". I was not doing anything while the song was playing. It crashed immediately after the song was done (as in all other reported crashes).

In summary, while I was getting at least 2 crashes a night before with McAfee and VDJ running. I got no crashes Thru 160 singers (3 nights with McAfee off and VDJ off) AND ONE Crash after 125 singers (2-1/2 nights with McAfee off and VDJ on).

This simply appears to be very random (took nearly 300 singers over 5-1/2 nights for one crash to occur) and too infrequent to catch a specific program being the direct cause. It has crashed with or without McAfee running. McAfee apparently not the culprit.


Next step: I'll go back with having VDJ off and see if I ever get a another crash, (may take days), and, if and when I do get another crash with VDJ off, I'll then leave it on for a while and see if I ever get a crash with it on (may take more days).

Roy, do you keep VDJ up and running while you host?

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by bryant

Roy, do you keep VDJ up and running while you host?

No, I sometimes start with VDJ showing a few videos but then close it as soon as soon as I start the karaoke.
I basically only use it if I'm doing DJ only night.

[kod]

I have never disabled my anti-virus and I've used McAfee and now have Norton...

I use VDJ to play music before my Karaoke show and always keep it up throughout every show for the purpose of playing an occasional dance song during the show.

I quit using BA a long time ago because of crashes and have just never gone back to using it. I have 83 Instabuttons set up with MP3 music (no videos) and use that instead, if the Singer is slow getting up on stage.

I had another flawless show last night...

[bryant]

Originally Posted by kod

I have never disabled my anti-virus and I've used McAfee and now have Norton...

I use VDJ to play music before my Karaoke show and always keep it up throughout every show for the purpose of playing an occasional dance song during the show.

I quit using BA a long time ago because of crashes and have just never gone back to using it. I have 83 Instabuttons set up with MP3 music (no videos) and use that instead, if the Singer is slow getting up on stage.

I had another flawless show last night...

When was the last crash that you had, if any?

[kod]

When was the last crash that you had, if any?

It's been so long I don't really remember, so it's been a couple of months or more.

I normally do one to two shows a week (with an occasional third show)...

Karaoke/DJ is a retirement hobby for me!

[bryant]

Originally Posted by kod

It's been so long I don't really remember, so it's been a couple of months or more.

I normally do one to two shows a week (with an occasional third show)...

Karaoke/DJ is a retirement hobby for me!

So you have crashed with it about eight weeks ago. just drumming up some math out loud here;
At one to two shows a week that's an average of 1.5 shows a week, looking at an average of 40 singers a show that's 60 singers a week times 8 weeks, seems like a random crash at approximately every 450 to 500 singers. that's about what I have been averaging lately with VDJ and McAfee disabled. I often handle around 450 to 500 singers a week.

[bryant]

Last night I went back to having both Vdj off and McAfee disabled.
The show only lasted 2-1/2 hrs with a total of 37 singers.

I had no crashes. I'm gonna run this way till a crash appears; and if one never does (appear), ..I'll be forced to assume something about the presence of vdj and hoster running side by side, although vdj always plays videos and karaoke zip files nicely. I'll let you know what happs.

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by bryant

Last night I went back to having both Vdj off and McAfee disabled.
The show only lasted 2-1/2 hrs with a total of 37 singers.

I had no crashes. I'm gonna run this way till a crash appears; and if one never does (appear), ..I'll be forced to assume something about the presence of vdj and hoster running side by side, although vdj always plays videos and karaoke zip files nicely. I'll let you know what happs.

I have decided it must be Gremlins. 5.08 has run better for me than 5.07 & I didn't have any crashes the last 4 gigs, running BA, and decided it only happened when I also used Tempo & BA together. Tonight I didn't run anything, not BA, no key change & no other programs (I never run anti-virus). Half way through a 4hour show, it just crashed, after a song stopped, for absolutelly no reason at all. Restarted Hoster & never happened again.

[kod]

So you have crashed with it about eight weeks ago. just drumming up some math out loud here;
At one to two shows a week that's an average of 1.5 shows a week, looking at an average of 40 singers a show that's 60 singers a week times 8 weeks, seems like a random crash at approximately every 450 to 500 singers. that's about what I have been averaging lately with VDJ and McAfee disabled. I often handle around 450 to 500 singers a week.

Bryant,

You obviously play at much larger venue(s) than I do. When I have 20 singers, that is a very good night! My nights run 12-15 singers per night. I play in a small country bar...

I did a private birthday tonight outdoors (very hot) and everything went perfect. No crashes on any other problems...

VDJ running and Norton on and I use Tempo fairly frequently. I use Instabuttons "very" often (and in sequence).

[bryant]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

I have decided it must be Gremlins. 5.08 has run better for me than 5.07 & I didn't have any crashes the last 4 gigs, running BA, and decided it only happened when I also used Tempo & BA together. Tonight I didn't run anything, not BA, no key change & no other programs (I never run anti-virus). Half way through a 4hour show, it just crashed, after a song stopped, for absolutelly no reason at all. Restarted Hoster & never happened again.

Hmm, this is what seems to be happenning, and I see that others are reporting the same with different setups, different OS, and laptops vs. desktops as well.

If gremlins are the cause, hopefully than that can be easily found programatically (I hope).

However, the only way to perhaps duplicate it is to play at 4 or 5 gigs until it finally shows up (The Crash), which happens to me twice a week.(8 -10 gigs a week).


Kod, I play at small country venues all the time, a pizza shop, a VFW (town pop. = 1500), a brand new bar, etc. etc., (There are NO big venues in Maine) but the 12 - 15 singers I do have on a given night tend to stay all night and sing all night. And because of hoster and its great program, I am able to run 60 - 80 total songs every night and twice on Thursday and Saturday.

However, my wife runs two shows a week with XP and H4.09D and had maybe one crash last year, due to some conflict with VDJ that has never happened again.

My point is I bought a brand new $1500 laptop (top of the line with a top of the line dedicated video card) with nothing on it except VDJ and Hoster 5.07 now 5.08b1, and it tends to crash every 2 or 3 hundred singers, on average. (maybe a windows 7 thing).

My other programs with this same laptop play all videos fine, even karaoke files which it isn't even intended for, w/o problem.

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

I have decided it must be Gremlins. 5.08 has run better for me than 5.07 & I didn't have any crashes the last 4 gigs, running BA, and decided it only happened when I also used Tempo & BA together. Tonight I didn't run anything, not BA, no key change & no other programs (I never run anti-virus). Half way through a 4hour show, it just crashed, after a song stopped, for absolutelly no reason at all. Restarted Hoster & never happened again.

I forgot that I did use a couple Instabuttons, but that never made a difference before. I am reminded that when Vista first came out, it took me forever to get Hoster to run without problems & many people went back to XP. Then Win7 came out & was supposed to solve everything. It then seemed that people had more problems with Win7 & my Vista problems went away & only came back when I did upgrades. MTU worked very hard getting Hoster to work with all the different systems. The more "bells & whistles", the more tweaking that needs to be done. Bryant, have you turned off a lot of the Windows "processes" that run in the background? That's what we had to do to get Vista to run smoothly.

2 points - first I have to think that MTU has solved most problems because there have been so few posts on the Help Forum. That says to me that there only a few of us still having these crashes.
2nd - In the past, it was suggested to run a Registry Cleaner periodically, something I haven't done in a while. That is what straightened out my Vista a long time ago. Maybe time to do that again.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

I forgot that I did use a couple Instabuttons, but that never made a difference before. I am reminded that when Vista first came out, it took me forever to get Hoster to run without problems & many people went back to XP. Then Win7 came out & was supposed to solve everything. It then seemed that people had more problems with Win7 & my Vista problems went away & only came back when I did upgrades. MTU worked very hard getting Hoster to work with all the different systems. The more "bells & whistles", the more tweaking that needs to be done. Bryant, have you turned off a lot of the Windows "processes" that run in the background? That's what we had to do to get Vista to run smoothly.

2 points - first I have to think that MTU has solved most problems because there have been so few posts on the Help Forum. That says to me that there only a few of us still having these crashes.
2nd - In the past, it was suggested to run a Registry Cleaner periodically, something I haven't done in a while. That is what straightened out my Vista a long time ago. Maybe time to do that again.

I understand what you're telling me Gerry, and really hope that MTU does come up with something like they usually do on beta 2 or 3.

Every possible un-needed background service is disabled. Brand new laptop, never goes on line except for windows 7 updates, and is completely updated as is all drivers, and I tried a number of older video drivers too. And 8 GB ram, video card is 1 GB video ram. Very few ppl are posting problems, but many only use hoster at home, and some might not even use extended screens, and some may just be having the luck of the draw (beating the randomness), and some may simply be not playing more than once or twice a month, at say, 60 to 70 songs a month may take a year for the random gremlin to attack. Recall I see nearly 500 singers every single week.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bryant

Last night I went back to having both Vdj off and McAfee disabled.
The show only lasted 2-1/2 hrs with a total of 37 singers.

I had no crashes. I'm gonna run this way till a crash appears; and if one never does (appear), ..I'll be forced to assume something about the presence of vdj and hoster running side by side, although vdj always plays videos and karaoke zip files nicely. I'll let you know what happs.

Same scenario last night with four mp3 audio played before a four hour show consisting of 56 singers using mp3 instabuttons and a lot of playlist editing during entire four hour show: No Crash!!

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bryant
Last night I went back to having both Vdj off and McAfee disabled.
The show only lasted 2-1/2 hrs with a total of 37 singers.

I had no crashes. I'm gonna run this way till a crash appears; and if one never does (appear), ..I'll be forced to assume something about the presence of vdj and hoster running side by side, although vdj always plays videos and karaoke zip files nicely. I'll let you know what happens."."............

Same deal again tonight, but went four hours with 55 singers and one mp3 audio played in themiddle of the show! Didn't use any instabuttons at all, but did a ton of editing and moving around tha playlist, hmm?

Without a crash..

[Joe Nieves]

It's the video engine that's at fault in Hosters it doesn't play nice with other program running at the same time..

I used Hoster with Microstudio to play tracks from a customers karaoke cd and had no issues playing from a cd in Microstudio, ....The crash only happens when you need to bring back Hoster program It get's scared and crashes,.... But Microstudio doesn't...

I remember 3-4 years ago I didn't have this issue with Hoster and VDJ running at the same time..

....So I tried a competitors karaoke program and ran it at the same time with VDJ, and had no issues at all... I played all night long used it for weeks without any crashes, this is what I experienced....

I use VDJ for VJ/DJ shows which I'm doing more often now then ever before, but I do have mixed show with karaoke and would like to start using Hosters again..

I've been a long time user of Hoster program and would like to see this long time issue resolved, So I and many other users in this forum can Start Using the Best of both Worlds...