Yesterday 14,980 songs in Hoster songs...Today 3,173.

[Metalgodz]

Lucky!!!!!!

[Metalgodz]

No luck on the recovery

[Karen K]

I'm so sorry. I feel SOOOO lucky that I was able to do this. Just now moving from "recovery file" to hoster. Screwed up my work schedule today good, but at least it's only for today and not for the next 3 weeks!

Best of luck on finding a way to get yours back.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by Metalgodz

No luck on the recovery

Jsut on an off chance I am going to ask this. Have you done a search of the entire C: drive to see if you can locate the files?

Originally Posted by Metalgodz

I am getting a error reading documents and settings all users documents my music mtu songs was not found on the hard drive. What happened and what do i do?

Have you looked to see if there are any files in that location?

[Metalgodz]

Just a hand full of songs. Its all gone . At least I have lots of free space on my drive now..... I guess I'll wait for MTU to fixit and send me another upgrade and start loading up cdg's againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Karen K]

Well all did not go exactly as it was appearing to - When I got everything recovered and back to where it belonged, I began looking randomly for songs. They showed on a search but then when I clicked on to play it, it said it wasn't found. So I had the shell of the listing but no actual files. I have had to go in and reload all my Pioneer CDGs, and who knows what else. I'm thinking I probably got 80% back which is better than nothing. It will probably take a while to figure out what else is missing. I'm really afraid to take this to a show without the player and discs.

I'm chalking this up to bad timing on my part, getting a newly released upgrade. NEVER a good idea.

Sorry to hear about your corporal punishment, which is what I have come to call loading CDGs.

[Metalgodz]

Thats really freaky because the only songs that I found were pioneer 19. And they play great. If I'm not mistaken the were on the demo version. The demo that made me fall in love with Hoster. The one before the evil, satanic worshiping, black sabbaths first album cover UPGRADE. I curse you and spit on your grave. better go to sleep this has been a FREAKIN NIGHTMARE.

[Karen K]

truly a nightmare.

[lmcmains]

Did you do a search on your hard drive for .kma files?

[Karen K]

For those new to this thread: Let me reiterate a little.

Purchased new computer, MTU Hoster software at the beginning of February. Proceeded to load 925 CDGs....Saturday last, everything was loaded....had a library of 15,000 songs roughly. Set up in living room, computer, dual monitors, speakers, etc. Everything worked great. Set to do show Monday night.

Monday morning I go back on computer to check something. All of a sudden i have only 3,173 songs....Did an explorer search for .kma files. Gone. Manage to find online software to do a recover and appeared to have recovered 10,000 files that were missing.

Move all the recovered files to the correct drive ... begin searching for songs randomly and find that all PIONEER CDGs are NOT there....but everything else appears to be there. Yesterday reload all the Pioneer CDgs (quite a number of them) By the time that chore is finished, do another search and BINGO, more songs gone. This morning I do a search for .kma files, lots missing again. Rather, what seems to happen is the files are there but there is nothing in the file apparently.

In the meantime, after the apparent successful recovery, I back the drive up to a Western Digital 500GB book (brand new). I'm thinking woohoo, everything is safe....but now I am concerned that this backup will contain those empty files.

Don't mean to rag on anyone here but after spending a substantial amount of money on what I consider to be the best program for computer hosting, the new computer, and the HUNDREDS of hours (most of you can relate, who have ripped CDGs), I'm at my wit's end.

Again: New computer (clean 500-GB drives), NOT AN UPDATE OF HOSTER but the NEW RELEASE from the end of January....COMPUTER IS NOT ON LINE AT ALL. No power failures. Can't think of anything else I might have done so can only assume it is software.

I have a laptop with Hoster Lite on it but am afraid to try and run the backed up copy on the WD "book" in case the files are corrupt or something weird...or will just find that everything I thought was good is empty.

ARGGGGGG.....Sorry, don't mean to offend. Not my nature, really. Just now swinging at the end of my rope.

K

[gd123]

On your recovered Kma files, does My Computer, which I'm not a big fan of using, show a number larger than ZERO in the SIZE column?

Such As: example 1
SD001-1.kma 5483 KB KMA File 08/15/2006 01:52 AM

And Not: example 2
SD001-1.kma 0 KB KMA File 08/15/2006 01:52 AM


There was a question as to whether your Recovered KMAs had anything in them.

If example 1 is correct, then, your KMAs were recovered correctly and all that would be necessay is to Open your Build Songs Database and set the correct folder(s) and rebuild the Database. Then, Hoster will be able to Play the KMAs, as Hoster will know where to look for the KMAs.

[Karen K]

So I took the harddrive backup that I had made after recovery. I was able to fully recover 60% of my songs. So instead of reloading 15,000, I'm reloading around 5,000 songs. Copied from 500GB book to C:\hoster songs, rebuilt song database, and was VERY, VERY happy to see so many songs come back. Today will spend the entire day uploading the Pioneer series, which seems to be the ones that are missing....but will continue to query system for disc ID, choose one song from the top of the list, the middle, and the last song, because on one of the discs the last 6 songs were not there...

I hope others were as fortunate. At the end of the uploading session, before I turn off Hoster, will do a backup! Learned my lesson!

Karen

[Jim Kercheval]

Yesterday I lost all my .kma's in Vista and purchased a program called ParetoLogic @ paretolocig.com and recovered all by doing advanced recovery. Note to MTU techs: In your build database dialog when it say to delete a folder you need to make the link delete NOT the whole folder!!!! At least if you put up a flagged warning that you are about to lose all your kma's if you continue to delete the folder!!!!!

[Beavis]

i never store my kma's in the micro folder !

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by Jim Kercheval

Yesterday I lost all my .kma's in Vista and purchased a program called ParetoLogic @ paretolocig.com and recovered all by doing advanced recovery. Note to MTU techs: In your build database dialog when it say to delete a folder you need to make the link delete NOT the whole folder!!!! At least if you put up a flagged warning that you are about to lose all your kma's if you continue to delete the folder!!!!!

Have you upgraded to 3.320?
If you delete a folder from the Build Database dialog it does not actually delete the folder, but just removes it from the list for the database to build from. The only way you could delete one is if you do so in the browse window when you are looking for a folder. This is a Windows function and not one of Hoster.

[Jim Kercheval]

I Did have 3.320 on when this event took place! And it was through the dialog box.

[Karen K]

I simply cannot believe this is happening to me. I have AGAIN completed reloading my CDGs (the 5000 or so songs that took a hike into cyberspace a couple of weeks ago). I am now going through and randomly querying for a song to bring it up. First song I query, ERROR! No SONG! So, I load the disc, it says all songs are imported.

I guess what I NOW have to do is go through every single disc, try and play every song, and make sure they are REALLY AND TRULY imported.

I'm so fed up with this - anybody want to buy a PC shuttle loaded with 15,000 songs (maybe ... maybe not 15,000 songs - maybe looks like 15,000 songs but only 11,000 actual songs...) and a keyboard, mouse and monitor???? This whole experience has been enough for me to forget about computer conversion EVER....The prospect of sitting in front of that computer with two disc cases and trying every single one of them for a good import is just nauseating...

Karen

[admin]

Originally Posted by Karen K

I simply cannot believe this is happening to me. I have AGAIN completed reloading my CDGs (the 5000 or so songs that took a hike into cyberspace a couple of weeks ago). I am now going through and randomly querying for a song to bring it up. First song I query, ERROR! No SONG! So, I load the disc, it says all songs are imported.

I guess what I NOW have to do is go through every single disc, try and play every song, and make sure they are REALLY AND TRULY imported.

Karen, your core problem is the software you used from the Paratologic site (which is a "link farm" site, not selling their own products... very dangerous to use anything from these sites). Who knows what the Paratologic software did to your NTSF. It clearly has placed entries there that "indicate" a KMA file is present when it's not. I suggest the following:

First, make a backup of the songs you have at this time. This backup may contain problems, but make it anyway. After the steps below, you will probably make another backup, overwriting this one.

Second, run Windows CheckDisk (click Start > Run > "chkdsk" and press Enter). This will help clean up your damaged file system. It will help, not hurt.

Third, run Windows Defragger (click Start > Run > "defrag" and press Enter). This will get your files back in consecutive order on the hard drive so they are not fragmented all over the disc.

At this point, you SHOULD only see KMA files that are really there. If this doesn't work, see my final instructions at the bottom.

Forth, download Hoster 3.321 from this link and install 3.321:

1. Run the Hoster 3.321 installation setup program to install 3.321, and then run Hoster.

2. Click the Tools menu > Build Songs Database command.

3. In the list window in the BSD dialog, make sure you add all the folders where your KMA files are, and remove any folders in the list that don't contain KMAs any longer.

4. Click the Build Songs Database button at the bottom.

5. Once the progress bar goes away, your Songs Database is rebuilt.

I believe that KMA files that truly are not there will not be added. This operation should only index those that are present in the Vista NTFS index. If you did the First, Second and Third steps above, you should have a valid NTSF for Vista.

FINAL ADVICE: If you still find bad KMA files, you need to re-install your Vista. Now, you have a decision to make. VISTA is the cause of all your problems. Yes, Hoster was involved too, but we are confident the root problem of files disappearing has been caused by Vista.

HP/Compact Inc. now is recommending their Vista users "downgrade" to XP, and they will provide the XP discs for free. They are saying Vista won't be ready for public use for 2 more years. That says a whole lot right there. Why would a MAJOR Microsoft OEM abandon Vista? Because HP's reputation is being damaged by Vista.

MTU is in the same boat. Vista is damaing our customers, and thus our reputation.

If you decide you want to convert to digital Karaoke like tens of thousands of Hoster customers have since 2001, then you need a computer designed to do that. MTU STRONGLY RECOMMENDS NOT USING VISTA. After the problems you and others have encountered, we will make that VERY CLEAR on our web site.

If you have to reinstall Vista, DON'T. Contact who you bought the computer from, and work with them to get XP (home is fine).

If you decide to abandon digital karaoke and stay with your discs, I will truly be sorry to see you make that decision because you bought a Vista computer.

I can assure you, MTU has been through the worst period of our 31 years in business. We have put all our developments on hold, to study, diagnose and find the cause why files were being lost. Every fact points to Vista. NO EXCEPTIONS. We have successfully programmed applications in Windows since 1989, that's 19 years now. Read these Testimonials and you'll understand what we have done in the past based on Windows (3.1, 98 and 2000 in these Testimonials), and now see Microsoft throwing the world into chaos.

Karen, what you have experienced has broken my heart and spirit, even affected my health. I now KNOW we must discourage customers from using Vista. Earlier this week I DEMANDED we literally prevent Hoster 3.321 from being installed on Vista. It would only take 10 minutes to do it. However, we kept digging for what might make Vista work.

In 3.316, we started supporting Vista. However, we REQUIRED you disable the User Access Control (UAC) bit, which disables all of Vista's stupid "super protection" it forces on you, even moving your files without telling you!

Users who disabled UAC and LEFT IT DISABLED, had no problems. However, Microsoft is unhappy about this. So, we tried to please Microsoft. WRONG THINKING!!!

All the changes in Hoster we have made over the past 3 months are valid. Each one fixes a different Vista created problem.

We kept searching for a FINAL answer. This week, we found a "secret" in Vista. It allows an application like Hoster to run with Administrative privileges as if the UAC were disabled, but it leaves UAC enabled for the rest of the computer. Further, we can set this status when you install 3.321, so you don't have to do anything. PERFECT! Our Beta Testers report this morning that it is working exactly as expected. One even installed 3.321 at 6:30 for his show at 7:30 last night. It performed perfectly.

I truly believe that 3.321 will run on Vista as reliably prior versions have since 2001 on XP/2000.

Now, please follow my instructions above to clean up your system.

[Beavis]

karen i know its a long experience to import, but all the time you spent trying to fix the problem, you could have re-imported all your files.


i would get an XP machine and re-import. once you are up and running you will look back and say thank *** i stuck with it. lugging those cd's around sucked!

ive been using since 2001 and have never had a problem other than a few audio issues that were fixed promply.


hang in there its worht it.


admin, why cant you use the word g0d in the forums?

[michbabe]

Originally Posted by admin

FINAL ADVICE: If you still find bad KMA files, you need to re-install your Vista. Now, you have a decision to make. VISTA is the cause of all your problems. Yes, Hoster was involved too, but we are confident the root problem of files disappearing has been caused by Vista.

If you decide you want to convert to digital Karaoke like tens of thousands of Hoster customers have since 2001, then you need a computer designed to do that. MTU STRONGLY RECOMMENDS NOT USING VISTA. After the problems you and others have encountered, we will make that VERY CLEAR on our web site.

Good heavens are you saying now we should all first get rid of Vista to run smoothly????