Problems re-scanning songs in database

[Lloyd Te Kani]

I currently have some songs on an internal HD and most on an external HD. When I try to build (rebuild) the songs database and rescan the files, the scan stops part way through and will not go further. What can I do to complete re-scanning the folders?

[Lonman]

I had that happen to me a couple times, most likely you have a bad kma file somewhere. Once I found out which one & deleted (to reimport) the database rebuilt fine. Problem was the time it took to find the bad file.

[Lloyd Te Kani]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I had that happen to me a couple times, most likely you have a bad kma file somewhere. Once I found out which one & deleted (to reimport) the database rebuilt fine. Problem was the time it took to find the bad file.

...thanks for your help. Guess I'll start the long search for the bad file.

[Roy Dennis]

It is probably that a file is corrupt in some way but it's a case of finding the corrupt file.

Can you state which version of Hoster you have ?

Does it always stop at the same point or number ?

Are you using the Rescan Folders button or the Rebuild database button ?

If you have many folders in your list of folders window below the add folders button, if you scan them individually do any of those individual folders complete ?

If some complete and others fail note the failed folders as the corrupt file should be in that folder.

Come back when you can answer all the above questions.

[Lloyd Te Kani]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

It is probably that a file is corrupt in some way but it's a case of finding the corrupt file.

Can you state which version of Hoster you have ?

Does it always stop at the same point or number ?

Are you using the Rescan Folders button or the Rebuild database button ?

If you have many folders in your list of folders window below the add folders button, if you scan them individually do any of those individual folders complete ?

If some complete and others fail note the failed folders as the corrupt file should be in that folder.

Come back when you can answer all the above questions.

Thanks Roy. I have Hoster V5.07 and yes it does stop at the same point every time. I am using the Rescan Folders button and only two of my folders appear affected so from what you're saying, I should check those folders for a couple of corrupt files...

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Te Kani

Thanks Roy. I have Hoster V5.07 and yes it does stop at the same point every time. I am using the Rescan Folders button and only two of my folders appear affected so from what you're saying, I should check those folders for a couple of corrupt files...

Yes, the corrupt file is probably in those folders, try removing those two folders by using the "Exclude Folder" button in the rebuild database then run the rebuild database with those 2 folders absent, if that rebuilds alright then the problem is definitely in those folders.
What I would try to narrow it down is to split the contents of the bad folders to try and narrow down were the problem file.
Example copy half the contents of a folder to a tempory folder then see if the remaining folder will add to the rebuild list without erroring out. If it errors still you can be pretty sure the corrupt file is in that part of the folder, you might get a clue if you note how many files it processes before it fails. It that part completes alright then the problem is in the rest of the files that you placed in the tempory folder so you could again split this folder into smaller sections again and then add each smaller part to to folders list.
Once you do find the culprit and remove it you can either leave them all in their seperate folders or use " Ecluded folders button" again to remove the tempory folder then move all the files back to the original folder then rescan the that folder again or when you finish rebuild the database.

[Skybird74]

Stupid question (I have to ask)..........how can a file get corrupted? I thought digital files are supposed to last

[Roy Dennis]

I expect there could be numerous reasons, for instance if a hard drive got an section error then the file in that spot would be damaged.
When you do a hard drive check it normally repair the hard drive section but it may not repair the file that was on that part.
Files can still be damaged, I think you may be confusing it with copied files stay at the same quality as the original unless you compress it more than an original.
But with the old tape recordings, every copy lost something from the original for each copy you took.

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

I expect there could be numerous reasons, for instance if a hard drive got an section error then the file in that spot would be damaged.
When you do a hard drive check it normally repair the hard drive section but it may not repair the file that was on that part.
Files can still be damaged, I think you may be confusing it with copied files stay at the same quality as the original unless you compress it more than an original.
But with the old tape recordings, every copy lost something from the original for each copy you took.

Roy, thanks for the explanation. I do have a few songs that I imported from CDGs like 6 years ago where the graphics don't display clearly like they did originally (now spotted). But I haven't done any hard drive checks or anything else like that......just continued use. What does that mean?

[Roy Dennis]

The disc repair is a windows repair, I can't remember with Vista if you have to enter a command from the Run command might have to use run/chkdsk, on Windows 7 you right click on the drive, open properties and a dialog opens with options, the Tools tab then shows options to Check, Defrag or Back up.
As I stated doing this won't repair the spots in your files you will have to re-import them to do that.

[Lloyd Te Kani]

Hi All,

I want to thank you guys, Roy, Lonman and Skybird 74 for your assistance. I resolved the problem by completely deleting the affected folders and reloading copies that I had stored in a seperate drive. I then re-scanned all folders and everything works well. Smacks of "overkill" but at the end of the day, problem fixed. Thanks again!

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

The disc repair is a windows repair, I can't remember with Vista if you have to enter a command from the Run command might have to use run/chkdsk, on Windows 7 you right click on the drive, open properties and a dialog opens with options, the Tools tab then shows options to Check, Defrag or Back up.
As I stated doing this won't repair the spots in your files you will have to re-import them to do that.

Now I'm confused again. I don't know what this has to do with files going bad, it seems for no reason. What difference does it make what kind of computer I have? All my songs are on an extenal hard drive. So, why do some songs simpy start showing spots a few years after import? Do they just go bad or get worn out somehow?

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Te Kani

Hi All,

I want to thank you guys, Roy, Lonman and Skybird 74 for your assistance. I resolved the problem by completely deleting the affected folders and reloading copies that I had stored in a seperate drive. I then re-scanned all folders and everything works well. Smacks of "overkill" but at the end of the day, problem fixed. Thanks again!

Glad to hear you up and running again.
Yes you can't beat having a backup

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

Now I'm confused again. I don't know what this has to do with files going bad, it seems for no reason. What difference does it make what kind of computer I have? All my songs are on an extenal hard drive. So, why do some songs simpy start showing spots a few years after import? Do they just go bad or get worn out somehow?

I was talking about how you access the command to instruct your computer to repair your external hard drive. On the old XP you had to enter a command prompt from the Start/Run, I can't remember if Vista is the same as Windows 7 that can be accessed from the drive properties.
I am not advising you to do this, I was just trying to explain one way that files can get damaged.
What you have I have had myself. I just reimported the file from the original disc to cure it. I don't know any other way to cure spotty graphics other than if you have a good copy on another drive like the person who started this thread.

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

I was talking about how you access the command to instruct your computer to repair your external hard drive. On the old XP you had to enter a command prompt from the Start/Run, I can't remember if Vista is the same as Windows 7 that can be accessed from the drive properties.
I am not advising you to do this, I was just trying to explain one way that files can get damaged.
What you have I have had myself. I just reimported the file from the original disc to cure it. I don't know any other way to cure spotty graphics other than if you have a good copy on another drive like the person who started this thread.

I never saw a reason to do anything to my external drive, since it is only used for storage (nothing ever gets changed, only added to). And the files I'm referring to are those I imported from my original disks. The only thing I did, was move the files from a 160G hd to a 500G hd. And only some of those files now show spots that were not there originally - and I have never felt the need to rebuild or rescan when I update Hoster. I did that once several years ago & found too many files left out because the Book ID got changed because I used to import with my desk top & transfer. So, I never did that again. (Sorry I got off topic.)