JVC800 Players have problems when transparency (superimpose) is enabled

[CHRISTI]

I finally finished my 1st karaoke cd. It is a combination of songs from various karaoke disks that I own and 2 songs I made in Home Producer. I took it to my favorite KJ to try it out. The 2 songs I produced in KHP would not play on her player, but the other songs on the disk did play. I don't know what could have caused this to happen. Her player is a JVC CD&G Superimpose System, CD Graphics Changer, Model XL GM 800. Have you ever heard of this happening? The CD plays perfect in Microstudio.

Also, is there an upgrade for Karaoke Home Producer. I noticed my newly purchased version is V 1.000 and the Website announced V.1015 released on 1/11/01. I have not seen anything about it but the release date. Please fill me in if possible.

Thanks Christi

[admin]

Christi, please send us a copy of the CDG disc that did not play. Make it very clear which song Tracks did play and did not play. We will evaluate them and see if there is anything wrong.

Karaoke Home Producer's code that writes the .cdg file is the identical code we use in our $12,200-$15,000 Karaoke Pro Workstations. It is in use worldwide to create master CDG songs and discs. We have never had a CDG player reported that our files will not work on.

Please send it to:
Micro Technology Unlimited
6900 Six Forks Road
Raleigh, NC 27615

[font color=red]There is a new Karaoke Home Producer that is a free upgrade. Read my Thread in this Forum announcing it. Follow the direction to get your new Serial Number. Your current number will NOT unlock the new code.[/font]

[CHRISTI]

I took the CD I had trouble with to another player. It worked fine. I think the JVC player may have a problem. I am going to take it back to that player next time and try it again. I am going to tell her maybe she needs to clean the laser track or something. If it still doesn't play I will send it to you for evaluation.
How long does it take to get an upgrade code for Microstudio. I sent in the info MTU requested and have heard nothing in 3 days.
Can I get any suggestions about reducing the distant, vacuum-like sound left in my songs after removing the vocal track. So much of the music seems to be attenuated, that it sounds sort of empty. Other than that the programs worked well. I will let you know about the JVC player as soon as I check it out.
Thanks Chris

[Scoob7809]

Chris,

That "distant" sound you are hearing is the effects that were used on the original song. There aren't any filters (that I know of) that reduce this. Maybe if they made a sound editor that allowed you to edit the vertical component of a .wav file in addition to the horizontal component, maybe it could be done. Comments, anyone?

[showteam]

Hey Chris,

Did you try to play the CDG in a JVC-CDG/VCD -Player???
Please make sure, you selected 1x writing Speed and test several Medias. It works best on our player with the HP CDR's. Next possibility is to burn the CD with goldenhawks CDR-Win. Try a pregrap with 3 seconds. So the Player can recognize the CDG-Signal a bit earlier and the lyrics should be displayed more relieable.

Greetings from Germany
Andreas

[CHRISTI]

Thanks Andreas. I'm not very experienced in altering the wav files. I do have a wave studio with my Sound Blaster Live sound card and I plan on trying to change the empty sound of the CD if I can. I think that maybe you are right. The JVC player may need more time to detect the songs. I will try to put a pregap in the beginning and see what happens. The problem is I only see this KJ once a week and I have to wait to see if it works.

Right now I have TDK media and I am going to get some Mitsui CDR's as MTU recommends for their software. I think that the problem is with the player and not the media or program. Since I am new to all this, it will take some time and experimentation to figure out how to make it work every time. Thanks for your suggestions and I hope I can figure it out. I read anything that has to do with .wav files but lack of experience is my problem. It is always easier when you have someone to guide you. Unfortunately, my only resource is the forums and I read everything I can find. I hope that luck and patience is on my side.
Thanks Chris

[Cid_cat]

WAV file help...

Another good program that is cheap is Internet Audio Mix. You can find it at http://www.acoustica.com


VERY easy to use and set up.
Good luck,
Cid

[showteam]

Hey Chris !

A Pregrap is not the "space" in the beginning of a .wav -file. It's a kind of space the burning program sets - if desired. Have you ever played a CD and watched the display when the CD jumps from Title 1 to Title 2. Some Players display -2, -1, 0 1, 2, 3 etc... That's the pregrap!

Next thing to try if nothing else works: make a .wav with no audio-data (e.g. 2 sec.), rename it to .cdg and put it before the karaoke-file(s). To play your desiered title, select the blank title wich is located before the karaoke-song and let it run. The JVC detects the CDG-signal when the songs are skipped (from 1 to 2 etc.)

GOOD LUCK!

[bose]

I also made a CD+G with KHP that wouldn't play on a JVC Triple Drawer player. The guy who owned it said that it won't play copies and it was very sensitive, but I thought that it should play on ALL CD+G players.

ADMIN NOTE: We have tried to make it clear that some karaoke players (especially Sony's and others that also play DVD discs) will not play a CDR media written faster than 1x. If all else fails, rewrite the disc at 1x speed and try that.

[Brian Corr]

I have a JVC triple drawer player and have had no trouble with playing backed up discs or KHP made discs made on very cheap media. These have also been made at 8x speed. I would imagine that the problem lies in either the media or in a software problem.

[Edited by Brian Corr on 01-22-2001 at 01:33 PM]

[Cid_cat]

My CDGs made with KHP play fine on the JVC triple tray player being used by one of our local KJs.

I've not had any trouble in my own Pioneer players either.
Cid

[CHRISTI]

The JVC model that this KJ uses has a cartridge and a single drawer. She put my CD in the single drawer and all that appeared on the screen was EXT up in the corner. When she went past the 1st two KHP songs, the rest of the copied songs played fine. I will keep fooling around with different media and maybe another burning program and see what happens. Does anyone know if the settings we have to change to use the MTU programs will have any effect on other recording programs? Just wondering! Since I haven't seen any postings from ADMIN in a few days, can anyone tell me if they got the upgrades and how long it took to get them. Noone still has sent me any serial numbers that I requested a week ago. Are they still alive?
Thanks for all your suggestions guys and I will let you know if I get a disk to play on that particular JVC player.

Chris

[Scoob7809]

Chris,

Just wanted you to know about the upgrade. I got my new confirmation code via email within the same day. Try re-submitting your info. The upgrade works fine.

[admin]

Hi
We are truly sorry for the delays we have had. To understand what hit us between mid December 2000 and now, read this thread: http://mtu.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=302

We are now almost back to normal, and responding to requests for the free upgrade serial numbers again.

Pertaining to this thread, as I posted earlier under bose's post, if you are having problems playing karaoke songs on a disc created with Microstudio, change the write speed to 1x.

Sony Karaoke Players almost always require writing the CDR disc at 1x speed. Other Karaoke Players that also play DVD discs often also require writing the CDR at 1x. It is not a function of software, but the Player themselves.

[CHRISTI]

This is in regard to my 1st post in this thread. I sent the cdr to be evaluated over 7 wks. ago. When I didn't hear anything about it, I sent an e-mail twice to support and still have not heard a thing. I can't put the e-mail here because I can't edit out the personal info I added to it. I do not like posting and begging for a response from MTU. What I need to know is obvious between the original post, the mailed cdr and the e-mail. Can soneone please answer me. The reason I am so adament about finding out is because I was under the assumption that these cd's would play on any karaoke player, when I bought the program. FYI, I did record at 1x speed and the JVC player that I am using plays copied commercial karaoke songs, but not the ones that were produced in KHP. Again, PLEASE send me some kind of acknowledgement that someone has seen my information. When you asked for the cd, I tried it again to be sure it wasn't working and then I shipped you the original recording.
Chris

[CHRISTI]

Mike,
Yes I have tried the same songs in 2 other players and they worked fine. Only the JVC doesn't work. I am using Microstudio to make my CD&G disks. Adaptec is on my computer and is disabled to run MTU software. Adaptec came with my computer to run a Sony CRX100E-DL.

[PastMember]

Have you tried it in more than one JVC player?

If you have, and it still doesn't read, the problem may be with your writer (head drift)

If you haven't, then give it a whirl in another JVC player. If it plays fine, then the first JVC may need alignment (by JVC, not an "authorized" local-yocal. Local repair shops are great with CD players, and they tend to take the approach that a Karaoke player is just another cd player. It's not.

Good Luck
-C. Staley

[Scoob7809]

Christi,

Have you tried using a different brand of blank CD, with a different dye color? Mine act a little different on different players when I use green instead of blue, for instance. Maybe JVC's decoder just doesn't understand MTU's coding, perhaps?

Seems unusual, since you also said that the other songs played fine.

Here's a "try it and see".. rip the background music from an existing CDG, and try to "re-word" it. If that one plays ok, it is most likely the music source. (wav file)

I'd be interested to hear about the results..

Mike

[admin]

Christi, it is very difficult for MTU to diagnose this problem... just as are the other worthy participants in this Thread. It is not something that support can tackle easily. To spend $1,000+ to troubleshoot this with engineering is not yet justified.

There is no other report to my memory in our history that a Karaoke Pro or Karaoke Home Producer (which uses the same Karaoke Pro code) song will not play on a karaoke player. That is why we state the songs will work wtih "any player".

We will first take the songs from your CDG disc and make a new disc with Microstudio here at MTU. We will then send this to you to try in the offending JVC player. Please post the results back here when this is done. I cannot commit this will go out tomorrow, but we will try to get it out soon.

[Scoob7809]

Christi,

I went to a place tonight that happened to have a JVC one disc player. I noticed that ALL discs (including OEM) played at a faster speed, thereby resulting in a higher pitch. Maybe not all JVC players are like this, but I thought it was worth writing here, for whatever reason.

Mike