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[jonhaaven]

Originally Posted by George

I'd be tempted to think that the database would rebuild in normal fashion now. Have you tried it since merging?

Yes, I've tried but still no go. Still get "Paramaters are incorrect."

[George]

I suspect you're going to need to go to the Hoster Manual and read the section that deals with editing the KMA song parameters. Depending on the severity of the situation, songs can be edited singly, or in batches.

I'm sorry, but after all this time, I just don't remember if the database won't rebuild if the parameters are off on a song or two, or if it takes the whole lot to cause this error message. It may be answered in the manual.

Either way, I'd hazard a guess that's the route you're going to have to go to get it working properly.

[jonhaaven]

Okay . . . I'll do that. Meantime, it's comforting just to know that I have a workable program again. Your help is greatly appreciated.

[jonhaaven]

Originally Posted by George

I suspect you're going to need to go to the Hoster Manual and read the section that deals with editing the KMA song parameters. Depending on the severity of the situation, songs can be edited singly, or in batches.

I'm sorry, but after all this time, I just don't remember if the database won't rebuild if the parameters are off on a song or two, or if it takes the whole lot to cause this error message. It may be answered in the manual.

Either way, I'd hazard a guess that's the route you're going to have to go to get it working properly.

The manual, as I read it, is a bit moot on the specifics here. An update: after "merging the kma files" . . .I try to rebuild the data base which continues to show that the "paramaters are not correct" . . . and I lose the songs again. I have to then "merge" the songs back in. Maybe someone can show me just how to look for an errant song parameter if that's the real problem.

[George]

I believe I'd try the EDIT SONGS, then SELECT MULTIPLE, put a DISC I.D in the SEARCH FOR block, check DISC ID, then SEARCH.

That should pull up all the tracks on a given disc, and enable you to view the parameters for each song, and hopefully find the bad guys one disc at a time to keep you from going goony.

If I'm out in left field here, I sure won't mind being corrected, as it's been so long since I messed with Hoster in Beta, I am for sure winging it.

[jonhaaven]

Wow . . . that would be a loooong process: one disc at a time. I did go through the process, however, but (dumb me), I'm not sure just what I'm looking for when it comes to finding errant song parameters. The discs I've looked at sure look good to me. Would any wrong parameters jump up at me or would I have to look for something evil lurking therein?

[George]

Been waiting along with you for someone who uses this program to answer your question, but that doesn't seem to be happening, so for want of something better, here's what I'd do.

When in the edit songs section I'd look for any disk I.D.'s that are out of whack on any track in the disc..

Make a note of any bad ones, if any, then delete them and re-import them.

I believe I'd try a database re-build after any such changes to hopefully have nailed the culprit without having to go through them all.

Once again, sure don't mind someone jumping in here with a better solution, or adding to this one.

Jumped back in here to see if it wouldn't be possible to open the folder where your KMA's are and spot a disc ID that's not right, since they are grouped together sequentially by manufacturer's disc number...

[jonhaaven]

Originally Posted by George

Been waiting along with you for someone who uses this program to answer your question, but that doesn't seem to be happening, so for want of something better, here's what I'd do.

When in the edit songs section I'd look for any disk I.D.'s that are out of whack on any track in the disc..

Make a note of any bad ones, if any, then delete them and re-import them.

I believe I'd try a database re-build after any such changes to hopefully have nailed the culprit without having to go through them all.

Once again, sure don't mind someone jumping in here with a better solution, or adding to this one.

Jumped back in here to see if it wouldn't be possible to open the folder where your KMA's are and spot a disc ID that's not right, since they are grouped together sequentially by manufacturer's disc number...

Hurrah! Not quite sure what I did . . .but all is working. This may have been the culprit, however. While I downloaded 90 percent of the songs into Hoster LITE . . . the other 10 percent I put in the later-acquired, full Hoster program. Once I copied the songs from Lite to Full, I was able to rebuild the data base, no problem. Does this sound logical to you?

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by jonhaaven

Hurrah! Not quite sure what I did . . .but all is working. This may have been the culprit, however. While I downloaded 90 percent of the songs into Hoster LITE . . . the other 10 percent I put in the later-acquired, full Hoster program. Once I copied the songs from Lite to Full, I was able to rebuild the data base, no problem. Does this sound logical to you?

What do you mean by copying the songs? Did you copy them from the songs folder under Hoster Lite to the songs folder under Hoster?

[jonhaaven]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

What do you mean by copying the songs? Did you copy them from the songs folder under Hoster Lite to the songs folder under Hoster?

Yes . . . thru the copy/paste method, I took the songs in the Lite folder and pasted them into the Full folder. Thought I had nothing to lose . . . even though both programs allowed me to create song lists using songs no matter where they were downloaded. Weird? I'm just guessing this action cleared the problem but I've tried so many things . . .who really knows?

[ddouglass]

You could have added both paths to the rebuild database window. Such as
C:\Program Files\Micro Technology Unlimited\Hoster\Songs
C:\Program Files\Micro Technology Unlimited\HosterLite\songs
This would have built the database from both locations at once. As it is now you have two copys of 90% of your files.

Actually the best way is to create one folder, preferably on another hard drive (external even better) then copy/move all of the kma files to the one folder and delete from the C:\ drive. This way if Windows crashes you don't lose all the song files.

Glad you at least got them back.

[jonhaaven]

I just picked up an external drive last week. Is it possible to back up the complete Hoster program, including the songs, to it? Or do I have to download the program from your website?

[admin]

Originally Posted by jonhaaven

1. I really appreciate all the help. I have both the "lite" and "full" Hoster programs. I understand that Hoster can be installed on two computers . . .does that mean twice for Hoster Lite and also twice for Hoster?

2. Still a bit troubled about not being able to "rebuild the database" the traditional way (in either Lite or Full Hoster) . . .but at least I'm up and running.

1. Hoster can install on 2, Hoster Lite on 1. That's part of the price difference.

2. Me too! Since George's suggestion to Merge the files worked, that leads to the question were they ever all found in the Songs Database, or had you been importing with both Hoster and Hoster Lite, then moved the "lite" files to the main Hoster system? If you did import this way, did you pay attention to what the BookID was being assigned on both systems? If you didn't change one to be a higher number, the you have/had two sets of KMA's that started at BookID 1... meaning when you did a Build Songs Datbase, only ONE set (the one already on the Hoster system probably) would be added, and the duplicate BookID's would NOT be imported. The Merge KMA Files command is empowered to renumber any BookIDs found to be already in the Songs Database.

This "could" fully explain what happened. Is this how you imported... and then moved the KMA's from the Lite system to the Hoster system?

[admin]

Originally Posted by jonhaaven

I just picked up an external drive last week. Is it possible to back up the complete Hoster program, including the songs, to it? Or do I have to download the program from your website?

Backup your KMA files on your external drive. That's what most users do.

Whenever you download any MTU installation program, we always recommend you SAVE it (versus RUN in the download panel) to the hard drive. Then, make a CDROM backup of it, and even use Notepad to copy/paste your RegCode(s) to a .txt file, and burn that to the CDROM also. Title it with whatever programs-version# you stored on it. Then, if you need to reinstall Hoster on the same computer again (for example after reformatting the HDD and reinstalling Windows), you can.

From your posts on this page (2), my post above is somewhat answered already.

Now, if you WERE building the Songs Database with all the KMA files in folders listed in the Build Songs Database command dialog window, and they still didn't build as you say above, there may be a bug in the software.

What do you think?

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by jonhaaven

I just picked up an external drive last week. Is it possible to back up the complete Hoster program, including the songs, to it? Or do I have to download the program from your website?

You don't want or need to have the program on the external drive. The program will run best from the internal C:\ drive under the program files folder.
Just copy all of the KMA files from the songs folder under the Hoster folder to a folder on the external drive. Verify they are there and then delete them from the C: drive location. Next open Hoster and rebuild the database setting it to point to the external drive folder where you put the files. That's all it takes.