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[Lonman]

Difference is the band is not stealing the music.
ASCAP used to go after bands & dj's until they found it more sense to go after the clubs that hire the bands.

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Difference is the band is not stealing the music.
ASCAP used to go after bands & dj's until they found it more sense to go after the clubs that hire the bands.

The band or DJ is not obligated to pay the performance fees. That is strictly the venue's responsibility. It is not a matter of preference, that is just the way they made the rules.

The only thing the DJ/KJ is directly responsible for is the music must be legally obtained.

Interesting recent article pertaining to this very subject
http://www.citypaper.com/music/story.asp?id=19721
I have had this very thought, but not to this extent. I was just going to go with BMI and not play the others music. The reason I was going to pick BMI is that they are a non-profit. You just can't pick one though, fear of complaints kept me from doing it.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by marklwood

You just can't pick one though, fear of complaints kept me from doing it.

Unfortunately that is true, the club needs to pay all even for tv, radio played, jukebox (although covered in most contracts with the jukebox comapny), any kind of entertainment that covers others musics, even dance floors or cover charges apply.

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Difference is the band is not stealing the music.
ASCAP used to go after bands & dj's until they found it more sense to go after the clubs that hire the bands.

Basically, the bands are stealing the music and using it in a commercial way,
They just aren't pursued because it was found to be almost impossible to collect monies, as the bands would break up or take on a new name, therefore the venue was the easy target. There are no rules set as to whether a venue or performer can be targeted for these fees, and, anytime they choose, they can pursue individual performers using said music for commercial gain. I only inserted this because i believe they will be the next target for another orginization like KIAA.
JMHO
muzicman144

[billyo]

i dont know how and why they would go after dj's, from what i learned as long as you legally paid for a certain song or bought a regular disc, its up to you what you do with it, you can use it as a coaster if you wanted to, i learned that, and i posted this before, if you paid lets say $10 for a disc, portions of that goes to all the people that created that disc,in other words everybody gets paid, and you also did your part of paying them by buying the disc, and that is what the artist, producers etc. wants, they want the dj's, or non dj's to play it in public for them hear, if people likes it , then they ( the public ) might go out and buy it, it's free advertising to them .is it maybe that the the manufacturers of these disc didnt pay the people they're supposed to pay the reason why they're going after kj, dj's, venue owners? this is just an opinion

[Musicman51]

I know one thing for sure. Karaoke hard drive piracy didn't start over night, and the strong armed tactics by the slep clan is not going to stop it over night. A good theif will move from place to place, use a central disc collection to be shared by several pirates, for legal purposes, and swap hard drives that contain stolen, traded, or shared cdg disc. The slep "investigators" can't tell the difference between a lap top, cavas system, and cdg player from the news accounts i've read.

They have managed to turn one kj against another, thrown inunendoes, misinformation, and labled 90% of all hard drive kj's a theif. They todate have not stopped, or even slowed down hard drive piracy, if you think they have you're mistaken.

Not one, not one post of any so called member of the KIA{A} have given any factual, statistical proof or fact based information of any kind..just wide spread accusations. I'll tell ya, i for one, and i think by what i have read on many forums, the majority of kj's have just about had enough of this. Of both the slep gang, and the fly by night KIA{A}. And are starting to not take this fiasco seriously. They (slep costopo & fly by night KIA{A}) went about this whole thing all wrong, they just don't care about the reputation of the innocent. And that is what bothers me about this whole fiasco. It is cheaper for a wrongly accused kj to pay the 6 grand, then to hire a lawyer and fight for his reputation. And the sleps, and their paid by case win attorneys are counting on this.

Of course i care about bootleggers and pirates. You're not going to stop it..period. The US Government with billions of tax dollars, can't even slow down the war on drugs. Yet the sleps, with no experience, limited resources, paid per case win lawyers, and blind so called "Investigators" are going to stop karaoke piracy? let me know when, so i can be there. Ain't gonna happen. Why? technology is why. No...i'm not a pessimist, i'm a realist. My advice for right now. Is for the slep gang, and the cheesy KIA{A} to step back, do damage control, and regroup. They're not making any friends in the karaoke circle. This is about money, not stopping piracy..period.

[Musicman51]

Just when we thought we'd had are fill of karaoke crusaders out fighting the bad guys for truth, justice, and the american way. Low and behold a another kid on the block shows up to get in on the action. The KMPC, {Karaoke Music Producers Coalition}. Never heard of'em before.

I know chartbusters website was down half the day. And now i see up in the corner this tid bit of info. Yet they haven't shipped my February top country and pop hits cdg's yet.
Yet still no mention of the KIA{A} on this warning..lol hilarious
What is "Loading Up A Hard Drive Without Authorization"? i thought we've gone over all that before?
http://illegalkaraoke.com/ {Be sure to click the report link}

Now chartbuster {Big Mama Digital Productions} are claiming they are the source for "Legal" music....huh??? i thought Sound Choice was the source for legal music? Seems maybe the manu's are gonna get together and sell a "Pirate Series"...lol a little of this, and a little of that for $6,500.

And i just love how some of these kj's are using the KIA{A} as an advertising tool. hummmm..i wonder if a guy put the KIAA logo on the bottom of each page of his song notebook, and never said a word about not being a member, if he'd be pirating the pirate catchers? hehehe
yep..we're better because we show the KIA{A} logo..just ask us.
http://www.swingtimekaraoke.com/Save%20Karaoke.htm

[Lonman]

You do know that KIAA was formed by Sound Choice & Chartbuster & a couple others (PHM I think was another)? Sound Choice is just spearheading the lawsuits. Only a matter of time befor ethe others join in.
I got my CB monthly shipment for Feb in on the 1st of March.

[Musicman51]

I have been getting mine just a couple of days after they come out. Seems they're getting later every month.

You do know that KIAA was formed by Sound Choice & Chartbuster & a couple others (PHM I think was another)?

They sure won't admit it. I asked chartbuster on the phone several weeks ago if they had anything at all to do with the KIA{A}, and the mess they have made of the karaoke industry. And they told me a resounding "NO". Go figure

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by Lonman

You do know that KIAA was formed by Sound Choice & Chartbuster & a couple others (PHM I think was another)?

Funny these other companies have been added to the list as being founding members when all they had listed back when they first showed up was Sound Choice and Stellar Records. And they have never posted a list of any other members such as KJ Hosts, Venues or Distributors. Guess they don't want there names associated with Sound Choice and their tactics.