Hoster Shutting Down

[captnkarl]

Well my new computer is up and running now, but Hoster shut down on me several times. These shutdowns are after the singer is done....mainly when the bkgrnd music is playing and gets to the end of the song list. Only shut down once without the bkgrnd music so I'm hoping someone else has this problem.
Before anyone gets too excited, I did all the recommended changes to Vista so thats not the problem. I'm running 4gig ram, 500 gig HD, 256 meg video card and 2.1ghz processor so I should have plenty of power for the program.
Also, I thought they were going to have the bkgrnd music control from 0-100, not 20-100??? 20 is still a little on the loud side. Any chance that the bkgrnd music will be continous even when the singer is doing his or her part??
Windows 7 coming soon, should I or shouldn't I use it? I am running Vista 64 bit and they are giving me Windows 7 64 bit.

As usual, thanks guys

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by captnkarl

Well my new computer is up and running now, but Hoster shut down on me several times. These shutdowns are after the singer is done....mainly when the bkgrnd music is playing and gets to the end of the song list. Only shut down once without the bkgrnd music so I'm hoping someone else has this problem.
Before anyone gets too excited, I did all the recommended changes to Vista so thats not the problem. I'm running 4gig ram, 500 gig HD, 256 meg video card and 2.1ghz processor so I should have plenty of power for the program.
Also, I thought they were going to have the bkgrnd music control from 0-100, not 20-100??? 20 is still a little on the loud side. Any chance that the bkgrnd music will be continous even when the singer is doing his or her part??
Windows 7 coming soon, should I or shouldn't I use it? I am running Vista 64 bit and they are giving me Windows 7 64 bit.

As usual, thanks guys

If I am understanding this correctly your shutdown is occuring when the BA finishes its last song in the list. Is that correct? Iried it with a short BA list and all it did was start over at the top of the list, so no I can't seem to verify it. Do you get any error messages when it shuts down?
It sounds like you have enough hardware though I am not sure about a 2.1 GHz processor for 64 bit. That was actually developed for the high speed (3 GHz) Dual Core processors.
I can't figure out how a setting of 20 (20%) volume can be too loud. That means it is running at 20% of the volume you have set for the playlist songs. I run mine at about 80% which is down enough so that there is a difference. I control my master volumes from the mixer. Since 0(%) would be off then it was determined this low a setting wasn't necessary.
They tried to add continuos play, but every time it switched back to BA after a song playing it would garbage up (drop outs, skips, wavering, etc) and that would continue into the next playlist song you played too, so that was given up on at that time. I don't know if Admin plans on revisiting that for 4.20 when they start work on it. The biggest obstacle for that really would be system resources. You and I have enough on our systems to be able to handle an additional player running all the time however the average guy trying to run Hoster would have problems. Just like the visualizations this would require even more resources that they just don't have.
So far with limited testing Windows 7 has not shown any new problems over Vista, so yes I would get it. Windows 7 is built from the basic Vista platform so upgrading for you should be no problem.

[captnkarl]

Next time it shuts down, I will write down the error message but I think it said "Hoster not responding".
I guess everyone runs their show a little different, I control my volume with the slider and it usually runs around 30-40% so with the bkgrnd at 20%, it is almost as loud as the singers music.
Is it true that Windows 7 need a complete install?? It would take hours and hours to format the HD and install, install the music, pics, singers list etc......or will it save everything but Vista?

Thanks

[ddouglass]

SInce it is Vista based then you should be able upgrade instead of a complete install. At least that is the way I understand it. I don't use Vista or Windows 7 so I don't have self experience with this.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Since it is Vista based then you should be able upgrade instead of a complete install. At least that is the way I understand it. I don't use Vista or Windows 7 so I don't have self experience with this.

I read somehere, can't remember where though, that if you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7, it will have to be a complete re-install. I sure hope I'm wrong on this one.

[ddouglass]

No you are not wrong. Windows 7 is based on Vista which is not based on XP therefore Xp to Windows 7 will require a clean install.

[alaskatazdvl]

Did you ever figure out what was causing your Hoster to shut down after your songs were done playing? I've been having plenty of problems with the new Hoster and finally got them ironed out when I had a show last Saturday and developed this one. After 4 hours of running problem free, Hoster started to shut down after every song finished. If I stopped the song before it finished and manually went on to the new song, it didn't do it. Just wondering if you had any luck resolving your issue, sounds alot like mine. Thanks.

[ddouglass]

Captnkarl and Alaskatazdvl if you will each run the System Information in the Start Menu under Programs/Accessories/System Tools. Then copy the Summary information and paste it in a post here. This may help to determine where the problem is.
Also check to make sure you have the latest release. Look under Help/ About Hoster. It should be version "4.11." and if not upgrade again please. This was a second release of 4.11 to fix a couple areas.
There is one other thing you can do to help find and fix the shutdowns. Either use SystemCare (free) or System Mechanic to clean-up your system and fix errors in your system.

[alaskatazdvl]

You were trying to help me with my lyrics sweeping out of sync. I finally did a factory image restore and it is better. I only have to use the playback offset to -.75 instead of -1 which is better. The skip issue I was having is gone as well. However, now as my post said yesterday, I ran a show for 4 hours no problem then all the sudden it began shutting down everytime a song ended. I had not opened anything and nothing had changed as far as I could tell. But here is my system info again. See if you maybe see something.

OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium
Version 6.0.6000 Build 6000
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name TOLSONA-PC
System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model Inspiron 1520
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2310 @ 1.46GHz, 1467 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A09, 7/11/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.4
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume3
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.0.6000.16407"
User Name Tolsona-PC\Tolsona
Time Zone Alaskan Daylight Time
Total Physical Memory 3,837.24 MB
Available Physical Memory 2.68 GB
Total Virtual Memory 7.67 GB
Available Virtual Memory 6.69 GB
Page File Space 4.04 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys


Thanks for checking.

[ddouglass]

If I remember right this is a laptop. Since it runs fine for 4 hrs and then starts shutting down. I suspect it is a case the computer is getting hot. This causes errors to start happening because the processor is not getting enough air.
You could try a cooling stand that has fans in it. I know Wal-mart has a couple models and not expensive, though I would make sure it is one that has its own power and is not powered by USB.
The other thing is if you have had and used this computer for a while (6 - 12 months or more) then take it to a reputable repair shop and have them clean it. If these get enough dust built up inside then they don't cool as well.
One thing that may help with your offset is try lowering your page file size. I know this sounds a little wierd but MTU tried this on a couple computers and it actually helped with the sync. My guess would be that it forces the computer to use more of its memory to store the playing song file and less of the page file. Memory is faster than having to go to the hard drive to get data.

[alaskatazdvl]

thanks for replying again. lol. How do i adjust the page memory? I don't know what to do for that. I will also see about getting it cleaned out. That could very well be the issue. The only thing is that it doesn't shut down if I end the song and move on to the next singer manually. kind of weird really. Thanks again.

[ddouglass]

Right click on "My Computer" and go to properties. Click on the Advanced tab and the top section is Performance. Click on Settings, then click on the Advanced tab again. Bottom of that page is Virtual Memory. This is where you can change the amounts.

You would be surprised what will cause the processor to not find a command or mess-up in some way when it is getting too hot.