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Old August 18th, 2009, 11:32 AM
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What you are proposing may be true, actually not entirly, there are so many variables that no blanketed rule applies here. This is fine if all you use is a mixer and amp. But you add in other things in the input pre amp path and this is not neccessary a rule to follow. You add EQ from an outboard EQ unit, it adds volume, you add compression, it to may add volume, you add a sound enhance ie: DBX BBE they have a volume control, Lexicon reverb, they have most generally two volume controls, pre and post. So you see, you are at rated volume for your speakers at far less then 75% of your amps operating potential. You couldn't use 75% of your rated amps power, with these variables ratioed in, with the average speakers that most fella's are using, regardless of brand. Although as i said, the 75% rule may be a norm for some, it is not by any means a rule of thumb. Just not necessary to achive the full potential of your speakers rated output. By adding effects, and these things i have mentioned into your signal path you will under almost all circumstances get an incease in preamp modulation, sine, and signal. So much so, that if you ran your power amp at the 75% rule, on top of this hot output signal, it may very well spell disaster. I have noticed through the years, especally with the younger folks, for some reason, the more power one has, the more one turns things up and uses it. Again, caution is the key here. If i have a 100 watt power amp, then if i buy a 200 watt power amp i will be twice as loud right? nope.... It's called "Head Room" which is what the 75% theory is trying to achieve, but does it? It is easy to paint all situations with a broad brush. Thanks Again...George
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Old August 18th, 2009, 02:06 PM
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What you are proposing may be true, actually not entirly, there are so many variables that no blanketed rule applies here. This is fine if all you use is a mixer and amp. But you add in other things in the input pre amp path and this is not neccessary a rule to follow. You add EQ from an outboard EQ unit, it adds volume, you add compression, it to may add volume, you add a sound enhance ie: DBX BBE they have a volume control, Lexicon reverb, they have most generally two volume controls, pre and post. So you see, you are at rated volume for your speakers at far less then 75% of your amps operating potential. You couldn't use 75% of your rated amps power, with these variables ratioed in, with the average speakers that most fella's are using, regardless of brand. Although as i said, the 75% rule may be a norm for some, it is not by any means a rule of thumb. Just not necessary to achive the full potential of your speakers rated output. By adding effects, and these things i have mentioned into your signal path you will under almost all circumstances get an incease in preamp modulation, sine, and signal. So much so, that if you ran your power amp at the 75% rule, on top of this hot output signal, it may very well spell disaster. I have noticed through the years, especally with the younger folks, for some reason, the more power one has, the more one turns things up and uses it. Again, caution is the key here. If i have a 100 watt power amp, then if i buy a 200 watt power amp i will be twice as loud right? nope.... It's called "Head Room" which is what the 75% theory is trying to achieve, but does it? It is easy to paint all situations with a broad brush. Thanks Again...George
Actually if set properly, all the outboard gear won't add any more volume. Say on the eq, you want the input & output sound to remain the same volume, so once eq, you do a bypass comparison & adjust the output to match the uneq'd signal. Same goes with the compression - however I adjust this for every singer so there is no one setting. EFX get used through the Aux or EFX sends, and are controlled by an open channel on the board, so no extra volume there. Plus if the effects are adding any significant volume, they are not adjusted properly, you shouldn't actually be able to 'hear' the effect in most cases, but KNOW if it wasn't there. Some songs do require heavier effect as an actual part of the song.

But I agree with muzic as far as speaker break in for the most part. The speaker is going to break in from the first time it's plugged in and producing sound. Plus many manus bench test each speaker for a couple hours to get true spec ratings & this could be considered a break in.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 02:53 PM
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Each person has a setting that sounds good, and works for them. I wasn't aware there were so many written in stone rules for what's correct, and one must follow to be the correct position..new to me...lol If it works for you then i think it's correct. If it doesn't work that way for someone else, and they set their mix up differently, then thats what works for them. I think this thread has pretty much gone it's distance..thanks for everyones views....
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Each person has a setting that sounds good, and works for them. I wasn't aware there were so many written in stone rules for what's correct, and one must follow to be the correct position..new to me...lol If it works for you then i think it's correct. If it doesn't work that way for someone else, and they set their mix up differently, then thats what works for them....
No, no set rules, I was just clarifying that when set properly, the outboard gear you mentioned will not add any additional volume, that's what the output knob on each of those are for - to compensate for the additional volume they do tend to add. Not trying to get anyone to run their sound any differently.

Agree with Sam, if a breakin period were required, the manus would state that in their manuals.
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