Spoke too soon lyrics still out of sync with vista

[James w murray]

ADMIN NOTE: Read my post below for the reason for this out of sync condition.

i had no problem with this until i made the second tv display full size
i had just moved it over to the 2nd display but hadn't made it full size till now

lyrics are way out of sync at full size with vista just like in 4.04

going back to 4.03 until i can get my computer down graded from vista to xp or find a program that is stable with vista

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by James w murray

i had no problem with this until i made the second tv display full size
i had just moved it over to the 2nd display but hadn't made it full size till now

lyrics are way out of sync at full size with vista just like in 4.04

James,
Try manualy resizing your show display to fit your TV. In other words, don't double click the Show Display. Move the show display to your TV then grab the corners and resize it to fit the TV.

I never run my Show Display in full screen mode.

This may help.

Did you do a systme restore to get back to netframeworK 3?

I tried to uninstall netframwork 3.5 and still had problems. I'm sorry if you did not get this from my posts. The System Retore was the only thing that got me back to netframework 3 where Hoster 4 ran like it should.


I'm just trying to help here James.


Jim

[marklwood]

I will second Jim's suggestion. I had the same problem with sync on my vista machine when I double-click to fill screen. On the other hand, I remember on one of my older video cards, the reverse was true. I had to double-click and not drag the corners. Go figure.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by marklwood

I will second Jim's suggestion. I had the same problem with sync on my vista machine when I double-click to fill screen. On the other hand, I remember on one of my older video cards, the reverse was true. I had to double-click and not drag the corners. Go figure.

Thanks for the back-up Mark.

Jim

[billyo]

Originally Posted by marklwood

I will second Jim's suggestion. I had the same problem with sync on my vista machine when I double-click to fill screen. On the other hand, I remember on one of my older video cards, the reverse was true. I had to double-click and not drag the corners. Go figure.

i read somewhere in the manual that if you double click on the viewers screen while a song is playing, you'll get an out of sync problem..

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by billyo

i read somewhere in the manual that if you double click on the viewers screen while a song is playing, you'll get an out of sync problem..

Here it is Billy:

WARNING

DO NOT move the Show Display screen to the second display/TV during a show as it can automatically restart the video, and the audio may be out of sync! This cannot be prevented.
DO NOT Double-Click the Show Display Video View! This includes the "MTU Logo" video that plays when Hoster runs to initialize your video graphics card. Double-clicking on the Video image will cause IT to be displayed full-screen. If done, press "Alt-Esc" or "Alt-Tab" to another window, then back. When the Video completes, the full-screen window show go away naturally. If not, click the Tools menu Options command > Reset Displays button

James,
If Hoster was running when you double clicked the show display, that is probably what caused the lyrics to go out of sync. There is no reason to double click the show display while running a show so this does cause a problem.

You can move the show display while Hoster 4.05 is running and the lyrics will stay in sync. MTU was able to fix this but not the "double click while running".

Just trying to get you going.

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Hey James,
I just installed 4.05 on Test Machine #2 to use the second monitor (TV). I can double click on the Show Display, on the TV while a video is running and the lyrics stay in sync. The warning in the manual must be directed at vista users. This means you should not double click on or move the Show Display when Hoster is running. Again there is no need to do this during a show. Just set it and forget it.

Jim

[JNS02]

[quote=madjim;83181]Hey James,
I just installed 4.05 on Test Machine #2 to use the second monitor (TV). I can double click on the Show Display, on the TV while a video is running and the lyrics stay in sync. The warning in the manual must be directed at vista users. This means you should not double click on or move the Show Display when Hoster is running. Again there is no need to do this during a show. Just set it and forget it.

Jim [The warning in the manual must be directed at vista users]

Jim, Not trying to be a smart a but of course its a Vista User Warning, are there any XP warnings? LOL

Just Kidding around Jim, I have learned so much about Hoster from Yours and DDouglass answers. Thanks. Also I have answers to a lot of the problem that I read about (I did find that Aero problem by accident.) but before I can give a reply, You guessed it madjim or Ddouglass already answered. Keep up the good work.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by James w murray

i had no problem with this until i made the second tv display full size
i had just moved it over to the 2nd display but hadn't made it full size till now

lyrics are way out of sync at full size with vista just like in 4.04

going back to 4.03 until i can get my computer down graded from vista to xp or find a program that is stable with vista

James just for my curiosity do you have a link to where you got .NET Framework 3.5?
I think I see the problem, but I need a confirmation of it from you. Jim loaded 3.5 SP1 without loading 3.5 and I want to make sure that isn't what you did.

[James w murray]

Dale i had downloaded the net 3.5 after i was already having problems with the lyrics out of sync
i did download the full version and it had no effect on the problem I then removed net 3.5 and reverted back to net 3.0 with the same out of sync problem

this is what I have discovered so far

if I manually resize the 2nd display I can manually drag it to full size at the top bottom and right side and the lyrics stay in sync

the problem is occuring when I drag the left side to full screen

iff i drag it to the edge of the screen so that the white border dosen't show the lyrics immediately go out of sync
as long as the white border is showing on the left side the lyrics stay in sync but this is not professional looking to me
i can drag all sides to about 95 persent of full screen and the lyrics are in sync but then part of the desktop is showing on each side and this does not look professional either

in 4.03 this problem does not occur

[KaraokeDj38030]

Originally Posted by James w murray

Dale i had downloaded the net 3.5 after i was already having problems with the lyrics out of sync
i did download the full version and it had no effect on the problem I then removed net 3.5 and reverted back to net 3.0 with the same out of sync problem

this is what I have discovered so far

if I manually resize the 2nd display I can manually drag it to full size at the top bottom and right side and the lyrics stay in sync

the problem is occuring when I drag the left side to full screen

iff i drag it to the edge of the screen so that the white border dosen't show the lyrics immediately go out of sync
as long as the white border is showing on the left side the lyrics stay in sync but this is not professional looking to me
i can drag all sides to about 95 persent of full screen and the lyrics are in sync but then part of the desktop is showing on each side and this does not look professional either

in 4.03 this problem does not occur

James,

Sorry you are still having prolems with lyrics being out of sync wish I had some words of wisdom to help you but I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH VISTA and the problems it incures as my VISTA machine is still down and I don't know when I will get it back up so I can't run anything to find out how to help. But JIM and DALE always have good advice, and have helped many find solutions to thier misfourtunes.

[admin]

Originally Posted by James w murray

i had no problem with this until i made the second tv display full size
i had just moved it over to the 2nd display but hadn't made it full size till now

lyrics are way out of sync at full size with vista just like in 4.04

going back to 4.03 until i can get my computer down graded from vista to xp or find a program that is stable with vista

Hold on partner! Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!


Quoting from the 4.05 Hoster manual:

"

WARNING

DO NOT move the Show Display screen to the second display/TV during a show as it can automatically restart the video, and the audio may be out of sync! This cannot be prevented."

Now, in the frenzied pace of releasing 4.05, I forgot to add in this additional warning:

"DO NOT double click the Show Display to Full screen, or from Full screen back to windowed mode. If you do, the graphics card will restart the video, but the audio continues to play. That will insure you are out of sync. To overcome this, move your Show Display to the second monitor, double click it (while playing a song or not doesn't matter), then stop play from Hoster's STOP button, then restart the song, or play another song. Everything should be in sync."

I can easily believe that your moving the left edge of the window to have no white border could also cause the video card to reset the display.

Please try this and post here what you find.

[James w murray]

i did what you suggested but unfortunately this did not solve the problem

if i move the 2nd display over and then double click like you said and then hit stop and restart and add the same song or start a new song my lyrics are still out of sync
this occurs in both situations with or without a song already playing

the only way i have solved this is to resize manually with the border showing on each side or with the border showing just on the left side

as long as the left side border is showing the lyrics are in sync
when i double click the display as per your instructions to go to full mode automatically all the borders disappear and i have the same out of sync problem and the whole display seems to slow down drastically
it seems that going to full mode automatically causes this problem as well because the left border is no longer showing which is causing the lyrics to go out of sync in automatic or manual

this occurs in both situations as well with or without a song playing already

[marklwood]

James, are you running in SLI mode? Because I too have had this trouble with Nvidia in SLI mode. I believe because of the way SLI works to sync the dual display, it blends the 2 images at the edge. When you are in extended desktop, that edge is on the left side. I just tried flipping the 2nd display to the other side and it reversed the problem to the right side. This may give a little help.

[James w murray]

no i don't use sli because it switches my display from dual to single

[billyo]

i was running a mocked up show at home last night, and just like everyone is saying i couldn't get the viewer screen to a full view, then i remembered reading in the forum about double clicking the viewer screen..i doubled click the screen while i was playing a vcd, it kinda stuttered a bit and the song started back in the beginning..but it didnt go out of sync...

[ddouglass]

James, have you tried changing the color levels from 32 bit down to 16 bit? That has helped in some cases.

[James w murray]

yep already tried that the only thing that seems to work for me is to keep the left border visible in the second display

there is no problem with the sync as long as this border is visible

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by James w murray

the only thing that seems to work for me is to keep the left border visible in the second display

there is no problem with the sync as long as this border is visible

James, what is your singers display type? I wonder if you can adjust the picture shift to at least cover up the border on the left side.