Problem with HDZIP/HDMP3G

[laddie]

You must not have converted all you zip files in 4.2. how many zip files do you have?

[BANDL]

I have about 10,000 Zip files. Here is what I am afraid of: If they are all converted to HDMP3g using 4.02, would they play with the back up copy og 3.4?

[ddouglass]

All the conversion did was to unzip the files and change the format listed for them in the database to HDMP3+G which was their native format inside the zip. The reason for this is to eliminate zip files in Hoster that cause delays because they have to be unzipped to be played which took extra time before the song would start.
They should play fine in 3.4 but you may have to re-enter them in the playlist if you are using a pre-existing list. That is because 3.4 doesn't know about the conversion and doesn't fix the playlist.

[marklwood]

I was doing a little comparative analysis between my older computer that I haven't upgraded and my newer one that I am now running 4.03 in my shows.

I had problems with files playing some time back in 4.02 that were tagged as CDCDG files in the database. I know for a fact that I didn't have any of those for reasons previously discussed.

On the 3.321 machine, the files in question were marked CDCDG also in the old database but still played even though I know they are zip files. I can only assume I made some type of error when I imported that batch of files, tagging them incorrectly. I just made a list (over 600 files) and re-imported them. Now most of them work fine, although I had to re-rip 2 CDs that didn't/wouldn't re-import from zip.

Just thought that this might help some of you that are dealing with zip file problems.

[zzeliminator]

Hello. I am using Vista and I upgraded from 3.321 to 4.03. I am having the same issue as Candonnyv and GMANN explained in the beginning of this thread.

Using 3.321, I import probably 15000 songs directly from CD. I import probably 6000 from zip files.

I upgraded to 4.03. I open Hoster 4.03 and it automatically started to build the database and the data base found 21,642 songs. I got the window that said "Some KMA HDZIP files were built into your database. These files must be converted to KMA HDMP3G files. Please close and reopen Hoster now to make this happen". I close this window. I close Hoster. I reopen Hoster. Question: Was something suppose to happen on its own???

I tried removing hoster 4.03 and reinstalling....same things occurred as described above.

If I search for a song and put it into the playlist and if this song show a type of HDZIP, it will play but then it changes into a HDMP3G which won't play as the gentlemen explained at the beginning of this post.

I am overseas and I didn't bring a single karaoke CD with me, so I can't delete songs as many users have mentioned in various threads.

I did backup my 21000 kma files on a external hard drive before upgrading to 4.03.

I did print the entire 4.03 manual and I am trying to make sense out of its directions of converting, but I guess that I am missing something out of its explaination.

Please comment, Kelly

[zzeliminator]

Morning. Im 8 hours ahead of you for the most part. I have been though the manual and these threads back and forth with no luck. Still getting the same results as mentioned above. Please help. Kelly

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by zzeliminator

Hello. I am using Vista and I upgraded from 3.321 to 4.03. I am having the same issue as Candonnyv and GMANN explained in the beginning of this thread.

Using 3.321, I import probably 15000 songs directly from CD. I import probably 6000 from zip files.

I upgraded to 4.03. I open Hoster 4.03 and it automatically started to build the database and the data base found 21,642 songs. I got the window that said "Some KMA HDZIP files were built into your database. These files must be converted to KMA HDMP3G files. Please close and reopen Hoster now to make this happen". I close this window. I close Hoster. I reopen Hoster. Question: Was something suppose to happen on its own???
I tried removing hoster 4.03 and reinstalling....same things occurred as described above.

If I search for a song and put it into the playlist and if this song show a type of HDZIP, it will play but then it changes into a HDMP3G which won't play as the gentlemen explained at the beginning of this post.

I am overseas and I didn't bring a single karaoke CD with me, so I can't delete songs as many users have mentioned in various threads.

I did backup my 21000 kma files on a external hard drive before upgrading to 4.03.

I did print the entire 4.03 manual and I am trying to make sense out of its directions of converting, but I guess that I am missing something out of its explaination.

Please comment, Kelly

Kelly version 4.02 had a conversion program in it that was supposed to convert (unzip) any zip files you had to MP3+G. In 4.03 this is disabled because of problems that appeared. Unfortunately they missed a couple of parts of this.
The message you get when you rebuild is for you to re-open Hoster to trigger the conversion program. Minor glitch that it was left in there but not a problem. Just click ok and go on.
The changing of your playlists to HDMP3G from HDZIP was also part of this to correct existing playlists so they would play the converted files. Unfortunately this means anytime you want to play those files you will have to enter them into the playlist fresh instead of being able to play from the existing entry until they can fix this.

[zzeliminator]

Morning. So this is a issue that MTU knows about?
Do you do when it is going to be fixed?
Are there any work arounds like GMANN mentioned above?
I looked into my song.mdb folder and there are 10000 HDZIP songs in it?
Do I have to change the extension to them to "zip"?
I have more zip format songs to add to Hoster. What is the best way or format to change them to in order to perform this?
I have tried to attach a copy of my song.mdb by it keeps on failing. The size may be too big as it is 1.2 meg zipped. Thanks, Kelly

[laddie]

Originally Posted by BANDL

I have about 10,000 Zip files. Here is what I am afraid of: If they are all converted to HDMP3g using 4.02, would they play with the back up copy og 3.4?

The easy fix is to load 4.2 and let it convert all your files. The converter will find any bad Zips. You will only have to fix and reload the files that report as bad. This is way faster than re- importing 10000 files.

It takes a few hours for the files to convert, but after its done life is good.

[zzeliminator]

Hello. I went from 3.21 to 4.03 and had no involvement with 4.02. I am using Vista Ultimate with 64-bit. I am a little scare of those versions. But if you and others thinks its safe...where do I get 4.02..do I uninstall 4.03? And anything else that needs addressing.

Good idea!

[madjim- with the Lord]

[quote=zzeliminator;80258]Hello. I went from 3.21 to 4.03 and had no involvement with 4.02. I am using Vista Ultimate with 64-bit. I am a little scare of those versions. But if you and others thinks its safe...where do I get 4.02..do I uninstall 4.03? And anything else that needs addressing.

Good idea![/quote

ZZ,
4.02 is no longer available through MTU. The web site always delivers the lastest version of every program. They make fixes with each new version as well as adding features.

This issue has come about because of two different changes that were made in Hoster 4.02.

1. It converts all HDZIP files to HDMP3G files (and finds the bad ones apparently )

2. It changed the HDZIP listings in all of your playlist's to the HDMP3G listing


MTU had to make changes in 4.03 so the converted HDZIP's and Playlists from 4.02 were usebale in 4.03.

Your problem may be a playlist issue. (I have not seen your problem.)

If you open 4.03, clear the playlist and load new tracks from your database will they play?

How did you get HDMP3G files if you didn't install 4.02? Were they zip files that were converted when you imported them into 4.03?


I know I'm chimin' in a little late on this one so excuse me if I'm covering something that has already been discussed.

I feel certain that the playlist issue will be fixed 4.04.


Jim

[laddie]

[quote=madjim;80262]

Originally Posted by zzeliminator

MTU had to make changes in 4.03 so the converted HDZIP's and Playlists from 4.02 were usebale in 4.03.
Jim

I don't think this is true. I converted all zips with 4.2. My old list work fine in 4.3.

[madjim- with the Lord]

[quote=laddie;80270]

Originally Posted by madjim

I don't think this is true. I converted all zips with 4.2. My old list work fine in 4.3.

That's good to hear!

I know there was a playlist converter in 4.02 that changed all of the HDZIP files entries in the all of the playlists to HDMP3G entries. There was also an issue where playlist's made in 4.02 would not play in 3.40. Fixing these playlist changes, some good code may have been disturbed. Like Dale said, it will be fixed in 4.04.

Jim

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by zzeliminator

Hello. I went from 3.21 to 4.03 and had no involvement with 4.02. I am using Vista Ultimate with 64-bit. I am a little scare of those versions. But if you and others thinks its safe...where do I get 4.02..do I uninstall 4.03? And anything else that needs addressing.

Good idea!

Unfortunately Kelly, you can't get it now, since MTU has moved on to 4.03 (nice idea Laddie but he can't do that). You didn't need to submit a support ticket because MTU is already aware of this. They can't magically fix this for everyone. It will have to be incorporated into the next update but it will take some time to get it out.
I realize that with 10,000 zip files it is going to take some time to fix it, but it is either that or don't re-use playlists and enter those songs in the playlist anytime you want to use them until MTU can get the next update ready. I am sorry if that is not what you want to hear.

[laddie]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Unfortunately Kelly, you can't get it now, since MTU has moved on to 4.03 (nice idea Laddie but he can't do that). You didn't need to submit a support ticket because MTU is already aware of this. They can't magically fix this for everyone. It will have to be incorporated into the next update but it will take some time to get it out.
I realize that with 10,000 zip files it is going to take some time to fix it, but it is either that or don't re-use playlists and enter those songs in the playlist anytime you want to use them until MTU can get the next update ready. I am sorry if that is not what you want to hear.

It would be nice if MTU could release the converstion process as a standalone application. Or allow you to use the option in the next version.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by laddie

It would be nice if MTU could release the converstion process as a standalone application. Or allow you to use the option in the next version.

They did Laddie...it is called Songverter. I think (don't quote me on it) that MTU took code from Songverter to do this and applied it to only convert HDZIP to HDMP3G.

[zzeliminator]

Hello fellas. Thanks for the replys. Laddie I guess your recommendation isn't possible, but I do thank you for thinking outside of the box!

Madjim, I upgraded to 4.03 and open it. I never saw a conversion visually occurred. I old playlist opened normally and there were cdg and hdzip songs on there. When a hdzip played and finish, it stayed hdzip until you lost Hoster and reopened Hoster and that song changed to HDMP3G. But you couldn't play it.

Ddouglass, understand that MTU is aware of the issue and hopefully it will be fixed in 4.04. I got over 20000 songs and half of them are hdzip imported, so this dance with the playlist will get old pretty quick. I am a patient person, but you have to admit this issue is a fairly large one.
Thanks everyone, Kelly

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by zzeliminator

Madjim, I upgraded to 4.03 and open it. I never saw a conversion visually occurred. I old playlist opened normally and there were cdg and hdzip songs on there. When a hdzip played and finish, it stayed hdzip until you lost Hoster and reopened Hoster and that song changed to HDMP3G. But you couldn't play it.

Correct, there is no conversion in 4.03. The reson for the playlist converter that MTU included was to change all of the HDZIP entries into HDMP3G entries. This is what your are seeing but in your case there are no HDMP3G files and your problem occurs.

This is what I believe is happening, MTU will fix it.

Jim