Host without Hoster?

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Since you started using Hoster have you ever HAD to use your disc?

Jim

Yes as a matter of fact it has 4 times in the last 3 months my computer has crashed out where I needed to reboot. Instead of taking 5+ minutes of reboot time away from my singers, I grabbed the disc & got the song back up & running. Now no I didn't HAVE to use my discs, I could of looked like one of these companies that have nothing hooked up for backup & have dead air, looking dumb. But other than the song that was playing stopping, nobody even knew there was a problem since all my discs are readily available. Once the computer was back up. I put the disc away & went back to the computer. No downtime in singers whatsoever.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Yes as a matter of fact it has 4 times in the last 3 months my computer has crashed out where I needed to reboot. Instead of taking 5+ minutes of reboot time away from my singers, I grabbed the disc & got the song back up & running. Now no I didn't HAVE to use my discs, I could of looked like one of these companies that have nothing hooked up for backup & have dead air, looking dumb. But other than the song that was playing stopping, nobody even knew there was a problem since all my discs are readily available. Once the computer was back up. I put the disc away & went back to the computer. No downtime in singers whatsoever.

Cool!

My clubs have PA systems so I don't have to bring an amp or speakers. I bring:

!. Rack mount computer in a hard shell carring case

2. A small TV monitor

3. A cord bag

4. Two mic stands

5. Six books

(and a small sound monitor at one place)

I like to travel light.

Your system sounds like it's way above anything I've seen around here. No downtime is awsome! Just for the sake of comparison:

1. How much does your rig weigh?

2. Do you need a van or a trailer to tote it around?

One time in three plus years I had to reboot due to crash (I istalled a freeware mp3 player that I quickly removed when I got home). I have hit the restart button on the keyboard with my sleeve a few times but that would fall under KJ error.


Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Cool!

My clubs have PA systems so I don't have to bring an amp or speakers. I bring:

!. Rack mount computer in a hard shell carring case

2. A small TV monitor

3. A cord bag

4. Two mic stands

5. Six books

(and a small sound monitor at one place)

I like to travel light.

Your system sounds like it's way above anything I've seen around here. No downtime is awsome! Just for the sake of comparison:

1. How much does your rig weigh?

2. Do you need a van or a trailer to tote it around?

One time in three plus years I had to reboot due to crash (I istalled a freeware mp3 player that I quickly removed when I got home). I have hit the restart button on the keyboard with my sleeve a few times but that would fall under KJ error.


Jim

What does the system weight have to do with anything?
That has nothing to do with anything. Your system is still your system, this wouldn't change if you were using a computer or discs. But if you want to know what I have for equipment
Mackie 1642VLZ3 16 channel mixer - in mixer case
In processor 10 space rack:
2 Symetrix 501 compressor/limiters
1 dbx 166 dual channel compressor/limiter
1 Lexicon MPX110 effect
1 Alesis Midiverb 3 effect
1 dbx 131 31 band eq for the monitors
1 dbx 231 dual 31 band eq for the mains
1 BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
In amp 10 space rack:
2 Peavey VSX crossovers - 1 is set mono 3 way, the other is set stereo 2 way - 1 channel for the back main speaker, the other for the stage monitor
1 Peavey CS200X power amp for monitor
1 Carvin DCM600 for highs
1 Carvin DCM 1000 for mids
1 QSC RMX1450 for subs
Speakers:
3 Peavey SP5 for mains - 2 triamped with the sub the other biamped.
1 Peavey DJS18 sub
2 12" 2 way bi-amped floor monitors
DJ computer tower for fill music, dj music (or background fill), recording, rotation program & misc other goodies.
Books, pens & misc.
TV monitors

This is what I would carry in to every show regardless of computer or not.
Discs are in a coffin with casters, no big strain there.
Players are in there own case, just get added to the rest of the gear on the cart. All fits into the back of a Dodge Caravan.
Then the karaoke computer tower!
Traveling light to me is not an issue, good sound is key for me. I have only worked on one club pa that I thought sounded decent.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

What does the system weight have to do with anything?

Lonie,

That's a quite an impressive sound system that you have. From your choice of gear I can see you are a seasoned professional sound man.

I mean no disrepect because your PA system will always rock the house and I commend you for your comitment to making your singers sound as good as possible.

As far as the sound goes, system weight means nothing (these days the light compact "mixer/compressor/eq's/effects/duel amps" are almost as good as the heavy stuff) so I choose to use the light stuff and load it into my small SUV. I just turned 50 and I wish equitment had been this light twenty years ago.

For somebody like yourself who has everything build into racks and doesn't mind the load in/out I can see where throwing your discs in the van is no big deal.

Thanks for sharing your equitment list! Keep On Rockin'!

Jim

[muzicman144]

[quote=Lonman;70368]What does the system weight have to do with anything?
That has nothing to do with anything. Your system is still your system, this wouldn't change if you were using a computer or discs.

I will have to agree with Jim on this one. Weight may not mean much to you now, but wait a few years. you will get rid of those old Peaveys, spend a little money and go to a modern lightweight system that will kick just as much as what you have now. The stuff used today doesn't require everything we used in the old days. But I know how hard it is to let go of the old ways. Technology changes much faster than we are willing to.
muzicman

[Lonman]

[quote=muzicman144;70383]

Originally Posted by Lonman

What does the system weight have to do with anything?
That has nothing to do with anything. Your system is still your system, this wouldn't change if you were using a computer or discs.

I will have to agree with Jim on this one. Weight may not mean much to you now, but wait a few years. you will get rid of those old Peaveys, spend a little money and go to a modern lightweight system that will kick just as much as what you have now. The stuff used today doesn't require everything we used in the old days. But I know how hard it is to let go of the old ways. Technology changes much faster than we are willing to.
muzicman

Why would I get rid of something that sounds good to something that sounds mediocre? I have heard & even used the lightweight stuff (speakers) & IMO it doesn't compare to good wooden built boxes - never will. I'm sorry the lightweight plastic box speakers do not sound as good and no I will never have them in my arsenal - even when i'm old & decrepit!
The only new lightweight pieces I may consider is in the amp factor. The Crown XTi series or the QSC PLX series. Amps HAVE come along way since the 200 pound boat anchors!

[muzicman144]

[quote=Lonman;70443][quote=muzicman144;70383]

Why would I get rid of something that sounds good to something that sounds mediocre? I have heard & even used the lightweight stuff (speakers) & IMO it doesn't compare to good wooden built boxes - never will. I'm sorry the lightweight plastic box speakers do not sound as good and no I will never have them in my arsenal - even when i'm old & decrepit!

Technology is an evil thing to those who refuse to come into the new world.
You refuse to say Hoster is a big jump from disc, but you use it. It is comparable to the farmer who wouldn't sell his mules because he liked the way they smelled. Thank goodness for the people in this world like MTU, etc. that makes the changes in the way we do things.
This is not meant as a rap on the way you do things. I for one just beleive if the technology is there and working, use it. It doesn't mean a thing to me that you prefer the old stuff. I can also apreciate that and know that it works as i used it for years, all the things you listed, i have used for years. I for one will tell you that an "open ear" hears much better.
Now having said all that, I must tell you that for you to refer that anything you have heard new and light is mediocre is a little insulting to one who prefers it over the old way.. I will put my sound against yours or anyboby else's and not worry one little iota. I guess thing are just a little above the rest of us in Tacoma.
Good Luck with your sound and show (and i hope your back holds out)
muzicman

[bryant]

Are they picking on you again, Lonnie?

[Lonman]

[quote=muzicman144;70446][quote=Lonman;70443]

Originally Posted by muzicman144

Why would I get rid of something that sounds good to something that sounds mediocre? I have heard & even used the lightweight stuff (speakers) & IMO it doesn't compare to good wooden built boxes - never will. I'm sorry the lightweight plastic box speakers do not sound as good and no I will never have them in my arsenal - even when i'm old & decrepit!

Technology is an evil thing to those who refuse to come into the new world.
You refuse to say Hoster is a big jump from disc, but you use it.

Ok I will admit Hoster is a HUGE step above kj's that did not know how to run a disc based show. This I will give you! I could run a very smooth flowing show with discs & Hoster is actually not as fast as I could run a disc based show. I use Hoster & am willing to sacrifice that one limitation to gain the convenience - nothing more. It's a great program, I highly recommend it to others, my Dad even bought the entire suite for his own personal use (home only). I believe Hoster will address the issue eventually & then it will be completely on par with what I used to be able to do with discs, but at this time it isn't.

It doesn't mean a thing to me that you prefer the old stuff. I can also apreciate that and know that it works as i used it for years, all the things you listed, i have used for years. I for one will tell you that an "open ear" hears much better.

See you keep saying 'open ears', I don't know why you keep saying I don't, I have listened, tried, used the plastic speakers, out of all I have used the Mackie SRM450 is my favorite, but sound is completely subjective to each person. I have listened with 'open ears' & know what I like to hear.

Now having said all that, I must tell you that for you to refer that anything you have heard new and light is mediocre is a little insulting to one who prefers it over the old way.. I will put my sound against yours or anyboby else's and not worry one little iota. I guess thing are just a little above the rest of us in Tacoma.

Well sorry you feel that way! People around here are using the PEavey PR powered series quite a bit and these absolutely sound like crap! But then again, it's may be because many of the companies around here also don't know how to run sound.

Good Luck with your sound and show (and i hope your back holds out)
muzicman

You too and my back is fine, if it wasn't i'd still get someone to help.

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