Host without Hoster?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by stublack

I can't believe I got sucked into this hypothetical crap.
All I can say is I've never cancelled or givin up a show and hopefully i'll never be forced to.

Sheesh, you're right, though, it IS all hypothetical, but not necessarily crap. I think most of us generate these polls just to see if there is a portion of us that may think like them.

For example, what I would do in this hypotheitical situation, which is not even likely, but could happen if my main computer was sent away for repairs for a couple of weeks and the backup laptop was left at my daughter's house out of town. And I had four or five days to make a decision on what to do.

Basically, I would do this. Find another KJ to take my place, instead of setting up all kinds of stuff (cd players, karaoke machine, cd's, and cdg's and putting on a standard; so-so show like all the other Disc guys do around here. I would offer that night to one of those guys, upon approval of the bar owner. That way, I've helped someone out, kept up my loyal attitude, and didn't go backwards in time and look like another so-so.

I mean, with all the backup contingencies I have, that may only happen once in a lifetime.

And, upon my surprise, and compliments to MTU, a 1/3 of us seem to think this way. I found that interesting.
Not crap.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by bryant

Basically, I would do this. Find another KJ to take my place, instead of setting up all kinds of stuff (cd players, karaoke machine, cd's, and cdg's and putting on a standard; so-so show like all the other Disc guys do around here. I would offer that night to one of those guys, upon approval of the bar owner. That way, I've helped someone out, kept up my loyal attitude, and didn't go backwards in time and look like another so-so.

Just out of curiosity what make the computer show so much above par than a disc based show? I've never understood that personally. I like the computer for ease, but I can actually do just as good of a show with my discs. I use the computer as a player, nothing more.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Just out of curiosity what make the computer show so much above par than a disc based show?

NO DISCS!
Jim

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by madjim

NO DISCS!
Jim

Which, despite all his explanations, is exactly why He uses Hoster!!!!!

Muzicman

[Lonman]

Well no that is not the reason I use Hoster, I use it for convenience. My discs are still with me every show & can go back to running them under a minute of shutting the computer down if needed be.
Besides having 'discs', unless the kj absolutely did not know how to run a show, or only had one player so dead air was rampant between songs while he tried to cue up another, a disc based show CAN in FACT be run just as smooth as a computer based - again sometimes even faster as I have been to shows where the kj had let the 'auto' feature play so it would play entire song outros no matter how long, try Comfortably Numb & FreeBird back to back, that about a songs worth of non singing right there.
That is all I am getting at. Other than 'no discs', a computer run show is not going to make a show that much better.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Well no that is not the reason I use Hoster, I use it for convenience. My discs are still with me every show & can go back to running them under a minute of shutting the computer down if needed be.
Besides having 'discs', unless the kj absolutely did not know how to run a show, or only had one player so dead air was rampant between songs while he tried to cue up another, a disc based show CAN in FACT be run just as smooth as a computer based - again sometimes even faster as I have been to shows where the kj had let the 'auto' feature play so it would play entire song outros no matter how long, try Comfortably Numb & FreeBird back to back, that about a songs worth of non singing right there.
That is all I am getting at. Other than 'no discs', a computer run show is not going to make a show that much better.

Since you started using Hoster have you ever HAD to use your disc?

Jim

[bryant]

Originally Posted by madjim

Since you started using Hoster have you ever HAD to use your disc?

Jim

Not one disc has been touched on this end, evah!

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Since you started using Hoster have you ever HAD to use your disc?

Jim

Yes as a matter of fact it has 4 times in the last 3 months my computer has crashed out where I needed to reboot. Instead of taking 5+ minutes of reboot time away from my singers, I grabbed the disc & got the song back up & running. Now no I didn't HAVE to use my discs, I could of looked like one of these companies that have nothing hooked up for backup & have dead air, looking dumb. But other than the song that was playing stopping, nobody even knew there was a problem since all my discs are readily available. Once the computer was back up. I put the disc away & went back to the computer. No downtime in singers whatsoever.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

a computer run show is not going to make a show that much better.

Maybe not for the singers but it is better for the host.

!. NO DISC TO HANDLE (I'd hurt my back carring around all of my discs)

2. NO PAPER (if the host chooses)

3. NO PENCILS, PENS OR MARKER BOARDS (the songlist is on your computer monitor)

4. NO BOOKS (if the host chooses like at a wedding or small party)

You know, being able to look over the Karaoke Host's shoulder to see the playlist is nice along with seeing who's sings next on the TV screen. Hum, maybe it's better for the singsers as well.

Lonnie, since you started using Hoster I'd be willing to bet that you have never been forced used your disc again to run a show. (Unless you hired somebody to use your disc to do a show on the same night you are using Hoster. Remember, to be legal you have to buy two sets of disc to make money with two rigs on the same night but that's a personal decion.)

I'm in the same boat with Bryant, I haven't touched a disc since I started using Hoster and (Good LORD willing and the creek don't rise) I NEVER WILL!.

It's like a person who has a remote for their televison (which is convinent) but won't use it because it doesn't make the picture look any better.

HOSTER IS AN AWSOME PROGRAM and in my opinion there is no comparison to running a show with disc verses using Hoster. Yea we could leave that TV remote on the table and walk across the room every time the channel needs to be changed but once you use it, you'll sure buy bateries for it when it stops working.

If you choose to not back up your hard drive and choose to carry your discs to evey show (Maybe you have a closet to lock them in at the club where you work which I do not have. Wouln't leave them anyway in case of a fire and to prevent them from being stolen) well, that's your call and more power to you but my experience makes me agree with Bryant, DICS - DON'T TOUCH 'EM DON'T WANT TO TOUCH 'EM.

Jim

[bryant]

Originally Posted by madjim

well, that's your call and more power to you but my experience makes me agree with Bryant, DICS - DON'T TOUCH 'EM DON'T WANT TO TOUCH 'EM.

Jim

Jim,
Did you put a NO vote in the poll?
Bryant

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Just out of curiosity what make the computer show so much above par than a disc based show? I've never understood that personally. I like the computer for ease, but I can actually do just as good of a show with my discs. I use the computer as a player, nothing more.

This forum is to help folks who use MTU products. The above statement was made, along with others which can lead folks to believe that:

1. they must have there disc as a back-up to Hoster. (Which implies that you don't trust Hoster and it's not reliable. )

2. running a karaoke show with Hoster isn't any better than running disc. (I'm sorry but after four years of using Hoster up to six nights a week, I just don't see this one. )

I have found that both of these point are not true. Hoster is an awsome program and is in the process of revolutionizing Karaoke Hosting as we know it.

I asked about the size of your rig to make the point evident to the community that when a Karaoke Host is hauling around as much gear as you do. it's no problem to throw your discs in the van, not that there is anything wrong with it. What is easy for you, (since I work alone without a trailer, anything over 50lbs. is not easy to move) is not feasable for me. Folks who choose to run lightweight rigs and choose not to bring their discs to every show shouldn't be made to feel like they are doing something wrong.

Lonnie, "Just because something works doesn't mean it's the best way to do it or that everybody has to do it that way." Please use these boards to promote the use of MTU products and uderstand that "there is more than one way to skin a cat." I don't believe this is happening with mallace intent but a little respect for MTU should be employed when posting on their board, in my opinion

I'm not picking on you brother, I just want the folks to buy Hoster with the uderstanding that it is a very reliable program and that no disc means NO DISCS! Thanks for the helping me make these points clear.


Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

This forum is to help folks who use MTU products. The above statement was made, along with others which can lead folks to believe that:

1. they must have there disc as a back-up to Hoster. (Which implies that you don't trust Hoster and it's not reliable. )

No I use my discs for back up because I don't trust computers - Hoster is great! PLUS the fact that you are technically only allowed to make one to one ratio of your discs according to MTU legal research. So if I have Hoster & the music on a separate computer for backup, this would be breaking the law since this would now be considered a 2:1 (or more according to others I have talked to on other forums) backup ratio. Even though the backups may not technically be in use they still exist.

2. running a karaoke show with Hoster isn't any better than running disc. (I'm sorry but after four years of using Hoster up to six nights a week, I just don't see this one. )

Again, I can agree to a point for those who did not run disc based shows properly, meaning having one player. Look up the disc, cue disc, get singer going. Singer ends, dead air, look up next disc, etc....These types of disc based shows I can see where Hoster would be a night & day difference.
I ran multiple players, always had the next song cued up & in some cases cued up to the starting point of the music eliminating all the silence in the beginning of most songs, on a song with a long outro I could get the next singer up & fade out the outro while starting the next song immediately. Right now Hoster does not have this capability, I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will. I ran discs for 14 years 7 nights a week, been on computer for less than a year now. And other than that limitiation, Hoster is a great program!

I have found that both of these point are not true. Hoster is an awsome program and is in the process of revolutionizing Karaoke Hosting as we know it.

I agree, and with every new update making it a little better each time, I may one day 100% agree that it is the best program out there, right now I consider it 99.999% the best which is why I use it.

I asked about the size of your rig to make the point evident to the community that when a Karaoke Host is hauling around as much gear as you do. it's no problem to throw your discs in the van, not that there is anything wrong with it. What is easy for you, (since I work alone without a trailer, anything over 50lbs. is not easy to move) is not feasable for me. Folks who choose to run lightweight rigs and choose not to bring their discs to every show shouldn't be made to feel like they are doing something wrong.

I don't have a trailer either, everything gets loaded in a small minivan. Onto either a cart or a dolly. Nothing really has to be lifted (speakers sure, but have a friend or someone from the bar that can help lift onto the stands if need be). I have never once said or indicated that the people that don't bring discs to their show are doing something wrong, I have stated that is MY personal preference & will continue to do so.

Lonnie, "Just because something works doesn't mean it's the best way to do it or that everybody has to do it that way." Please use these boards to promote the use of MTU products and uderstand that "there is more than one way to skin a cat." I don't believe this is happening with mallace intent but a little respect for MTU should be employed when posting on their board, in my opinion

I have nothing BUT respect for MTU & their products! Should I have to be forced to agree with everything on their boards? Should I be forced to agree that they are the best thing since sliced bread (they are close though)? I am not knocking MTU in any way shape or form, I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

I'm not picking on you brother, I just want the folks to buy Hoster with the uderstanding that it is a very reliable program and that no disc means NO DISCS! Thanks for the helping me make these points clear.


Jim

Yep & every forum I belong to I state which programs I use proudly (MTU mostly) & encourage others & even have defended them at times when someone spouts off without having their facts straight.
But no discs for backup is a personal choice! I know & have talked with others on other forums that also bring their discs for backup, so i'm not the only one!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

I'll argue to the end of the Earth when someone says something can't be done when in fact it can! Opinion is just that but when it is stated as fact such as the comment As for the speed of disc users Vs Hoster, this is an old topic, and my memory seems to remind me you lost that one too., that is where it is no longer opinion, he is stating that discs cannot be run as fast or smoothly as a computer.
Again, this is discs vs comp. All you disc haters must have a reason (other than 'weight' which seems to be the biggest complaint) that you tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly - it can - that is and always HAS been what I am getting at. Would I go back to running discs exclusively, if the need be yes I would the minute I would have to, but otherwise I am running the computer with discs as a back up - my choice!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Lonnie,
I may have stepped into this conversation at the wrong time.

Your statement:

"that you (YOU being me) tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly"

shows me that you assuming since I agree with musicman on one point that I agree with everythiong he posts.

My statements have nothing to do with a disc show being run "as efficiently" as a computer show. Discless Karaoke is better than Disc Karaoke when you use Hoster, for more reasons that how efficent the Karaoke Host is and I don't have to argue with anybody about it. The proof is in the program. Hoster can help make a "so so" Karaoke host become almost as good a a seasoned host like yourself.

You and musicman seem to be having a pissing match and it's getting all over the rest of us. It's obvious to me because my point was drowned. Maybe this issue deserves it's own poll.

I'm out of this conversation, I hope somebody, somewhere gains some knowledge from these posts.

Adios!

Jim