Host without Hoster?

[bobcox- with the Lord]

With all my backup computers i would never be without.
i allways carry at least one backup with me, and could have another delievered to me within minutes. Bob

if i had to go to disc permenently, i dont think i would.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by bobcox

With all my backup computers i would never be without.
i allways carry at least one backup with me, and could have another delievered to me within minutes. Bob

if i had to go to disc permenently, i dont think i would.

Again, the question a WOULD you go back to discs IF you had to! He wasn't asking about backup computers.

Maybe the question should be DO you have the discs to do backup provided ALL your computer backup's failed>>>?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Again, the question a WOULD you go back to discs IF you had to! He wasn't asking about backup computers.

Maybe the question should be DO you have the discs to do backup provided ALL your computer backup's failed>>>?

Lonnie,
Yes, the question was "If there were no other choice?", If you had to, in other words, even if you had backup computers, would you use your backup discs (ones you prolly owned and used before Hoster) for that one night.
After using Hoster and realizing the work involved w/o it,
I said a clear No Way.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bobcox

With all my backup computers i would never be without.
i allways carry at least one backup with me, and could have another delievered to me within minutes. Bob

if i had to go to disc permenently, i dont think i would.

You shoulda checked NO, I would not because that is what I meant.

[Lonman]

I apologize now, for those who would cancel, that just adds another reason to give karaoke hosts a bad name altogthether.
Sorry, my convenience factor is broken, yes I have another means to run the show, but I choose to cancel instead!

[muzicman144]

I believe Lonman has lost the real point here. The question is if one "had" to go back to disc. I believe most who use hoster and certainly all who "entertain" realize the importance of having a backup plan when something fails. I, and i believe most hoster users also do, have a backup computer. The cost factor for the backup computer versus having a cd player for backup is not out of line when you factor in the advantages. Many hoster users don't even own a karaoke player anymore as there is no need. I don't have one anymore and don't intend on buying one. Lonman's only choice as he states it is to go back to a disc player and using the disc. Many Hoster users do not have the need or have the equipment to use disc the "ole fashioned way" nor have they ever done it that way.
I don't need anyone to apologize for me if i "choose" not to do a show because I only want to produce the best quality product that the customer is used to and entitled to. Nascar cancels when it rains and certainly survives to run another day and true fans understand and return. A decision to cancel a show for a legitimate reason certainly doesn't give all Kj's a "bad name".
As for the reference to "maybe" not owning the disc as a reason to cancel, you queston another's integrity without basis. I would suggest to you that maybe you are out of line to make such a general statement that questions the hoster user's professional judgement call on whether to cancel or not.

Muzicman144

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by muzicman144

I believe Lonman has lost the real point here. The question is if one "had" to go back to disc. I believe most who use hoster and certainly all who "entertain" realize the importance of having a backup plan when something fails. I, and i believe most hoster users also do, have a backup computer. The cost factor for the backup computer versus having a cd player for backup is not out of line when you factor in the advantages. Many hoster users don't even own a karaoke player anymore as there is no need. I don't have one anymore and don't intend on buying one. Lonman's only choice as he states it is to go back to a disc player and using the disc. Many Hoster users do not have the need or have the equipment to use disc the "ole fashioned way" nor have they ever done it that way.

I didn't LOSE anything, I was answering the question which was "Basically, If somehing happened to your computer or software, and if you were down to a choice between lugging all your CDG's in and setting up your old karaoke machine to do the gig, or cancelling the gig,
would you show up without Hoster? And Bryant even reiterated THAT was what he meant. Not talking about backup computers or anything else.

A decision to cancel a show for a legitimate reason certainly doesn't give all Kj's a "bad name".

Because you no longer have the convenience is not a legitimate excuse to me! I take karaoke pretty serious - it IS my job. If I had to run a show with my discs again, I would, I wouldn't do that to the club nor my customers - Oh sorry guys, yes I have means to plays the show, however i choose not to because it's TOO MUCH WORK! Which is what you are making it seem like.
Whatever!

As for the reference to "maybe" not owning the disc as a reason to cancel, you queston another's integrity without basis. I would suggest to you that maybe you are out of line to make such a general statement that questions the hoster user's professional judgement call on whether to cancel or not.

Muzicman144

As for bringing up the possibly not owning the discs, I didn't bring it up first - I responded to it, but it would certainly be possible. I saw a thread started by someone recently that pointed in that direction that since she went to Hoster and lost her files, she indicated that she no longer has the source material to reimport - didn't outright say it, but that was the indication & she hasn't been back for response since it was pointed out to her that without the original discs she is running illegally - so YES it IS possible that people got rid of their discs which would make them automatically illegal at that point anyway!

[bobcox- with the Lord]

OK, I would use my disc if i had to.
we have about 12,000 cdgs.
i would have to carry about 2,400 cdgs and 1,200 cds for music, to do the same show i do now.
also about the last 600 cdgs for my main system are not in sleeves and are not in order to use.
so it would be a task to say the least, to try to do a show with disc.
and i also know I WILL NEVER HAVE TO.
I thank God & MTU for that.

[CerealKiller]

Wow that got kinda heated there!! I just finished my new books and took the time to organize my discs in 8 100 disc holders so there numbers whould match those in my books. Can you guess why i took the time to do this? Yes its so just in case something happens I can go back to discs, and i always have a cdg player here so people can bring their own cdg's in. What did some of you that said you would cancel do before you had hoster? One phrase comes to mind

"The Show Must Go On"

if you do not believe in this i do not believe you are in this for the right reasons.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bobcox

OK, I would use my disc if i had to.
we have about 12,000 cdgs.
i would have to carry about 2,400 cdgs and 1,200 cds for music, to do the same show i do now.
also about the last 600 cdgs for my main system are not in sleeves and are not in order to use.
so it would be a task to say the least, to try to do a show with disc.
and i also know I WILL NEVER HAVE TO.
I thank God & MTU for that.

Great, that is exactly what I think as well! I have got 2 or 3 backups of everything and don't expect to ever, ever, ever, use disks, and that is my WHOLE POINT!!

[TTowntenor]

No cancelling a show here, I have no problems with discs, ran them since '93. Went computerized last year, but I still bring all my discs with me in a dj cd coffin tucked under my table & always have a player set up for customer discs...don't do it so much for back up, but they do serve that purpose, but I do it for proof of what's on my computer.

[Garry A. Leslie]

Hey All,
This thread is interesting in as far as the original question went.
I still read there are sources in the US trying to stop shows using laptops and all kinds of hoster programmes, because they claim they are illegal anyway.
bobcox puts his finger on the problem of how many discs we all used to have to carry, when he mentions 2400 cdg's and 1200 cd's.
I have always questioned this outlook, as most kj's can only deal with between 15 and 20 songs an hour making 60 to 80 songs used in a 4 hour session.
I always queried the amount of deadwood we all had in our books.
I could never see the sense in carrying every disc just in case someone wanted to sing something obscure and you mightn't have brought it.
Although it's real nice to listen to some different songs from the run of the mill, but you can always promise to make sure you've got it next time.
They've got something to look forward to.
Regards from across the pond.
Garry

[scotobryan]

first, I dont own a karaoke player anymore. secong I live in IL and my buisness is in KY. I hire someone to run karaoke. Karaoke as far as im concerned doesn't make any money and the only reason we keep it up is for the guys who work for us. Last the CDGs are 3 hours and $75 in fuel away from the employee. So yes I would cancel or hire another company to run the show for the night.

I purchase software because I want it to work every time i use it. I get used to running a show a certian way and thats the way i want to run it. My employees are trained to use this software, we have been using it since it came out. I have a backup machine on site at every show. If it was an issue of the software being unreliable I would rip my discs to mp3+g and use one of the far superior softwares out there right now.

my only gripe with this software is the time it takes for support to get back to you. I turn a support ticket and by the time they get back to me ive moved on to more important things.

I understand wanting to protect the software but i think you should be more responsive to those who paid for and depend on it to make money.

[JNS02]

Some host have stated that they would just use a backup laptop to run the show, I do not have a backup laptop at this point in time to use one. I would revert back to CDs until I could get HOSTER running again. Already had to do that when my new Dell took a digger after only 3 months (video went out) as I was setting up to do show.(Took Dell 2 months to fix this problem) All new CD's that were added to my collection were not indexed in any way, was not easy (or impossible) to find some songs that were added after HOSTER. Show went on, People were very understanding. Also CDG player is always set up in my rack and is ready to run at any time. The show went on. People don't come to karaoke to watch HOSTER run, they come to sing. And that they did. I would not run with any other software besides HOSTER, I have tried others, don't like them.