Can not import songs

[cbr929pilot]

I'm stuck at the same situation.

I hope there is a new release soon. I have 3 SCDG disk I would like to back up on my HDD AND to get a faster reponse time from playing them back.

Thank

[admin]

Originally Posted by kevinkennedy

don't understand the 99 track limit thing, the software tells you that if you remove the disk id it will import all tracks. It say's
(Quote)
You are trying to import over 99 tracks and tells you to remove the disk id from the track name so Hoster can assign it's own numbers.
(end quote)

And it will, however on my software it only takes in about 160 tracks or so and then stops and askes for the brand name. It does copy the track name, track# and artist properly, but it stops before importing them all to prepare for conversion to Hoster format.

Kevin, your reports contain excellent details, and you are understanding the operatino correctly... I think, but not yet sure. It appears there may be a bug in 3.313. Since we are on 3.314 now, I'm very interesting in diagnosing if there is a bug, and we'll fix it.

QUESTION #1: Are you saying that Hoster 3.313 does properly import 160 files from the folder, saving them as KMA files?

QUESTION #2: Or, are you saying it is somehow identifying 160, but not importing them? If this is the case, please be very specific and give us the Field Formats you are entering and an example filename you selected.

Originally Posted by cbr929pilot

I hope there is a new release soon. I have 3 SCDG disk I would like to back up on my HDD AND to get a faster reponse time from playing them back.

Are you using CDGFix Super to convert your SCDG imported tracks into MP3+G file pairs (.mp3 + .cdg)? If not, we don't import SCDG custom format discs directly, and won't for some time to come (if ever).

Please post exactly what you are expecting the next release to do for YOU so we can try to meet your needs. Please don't say "import SCDG tracks" as I have covered that above. I'm looking for specific details what you want to do.

[kevinkennedy]

Hi
There is definitly a bug or 2 in the software I have, So if you have a new version send it to me before I wast any more time on this.

I have spent many hours importing thousands of tracks and quite frankly I'm kinda ticked off. I bought this software with the impression that it was tried and tested and now I'm finding that is maybe not the case. If I'm going to do your beta testing for you, then you charged me WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Take a moment to look at my purchase history with MTU.

Now that I got that off my chest let's get down to solving these issues.

First I will answer your questions and clear up a previous statement that I made that was incorrect.

Answer to Question #1 I meant that it would load those tracks into the track list window, but I was wrong about the number of tracks due to the way it pulled them from the hard drive folder. It was really loading only 99 tracks but the last track number in the track list window was 160 due to the way it looked at the track #'s. This also covers Question #2

At first I was having problems for 2 reasons, 1 being I didn't fully understand the software and the Manual is not very clear about some things, and 2 is because my software has issues.

The problems I am having with the software at this point are.

(In this example I am trying to import 901 tracks from 1 folder named SCDG01 refering to the first SCDG of my colection) IE. SCDG01 to SCDG15

1. It makes no diff. if I choose batch or single the software does the same thing, it will take the first 99 tracks (From HD) and load them to the track list window.

2. The SCDG tracks were copied to HD using CDGFix and the structure is Disk ID_Track_Title_Artist.mp3 and I am using
(Define field order ingnore_track_title_artist)
As soon as you click on the add tracks button. the define field order seperators change from_ to_-_ so they have to be reset every time you load the next 99. Also the Brand box changes from *Custom assembly* to blank so that it has to be reset for every 99.

3. The book ID root does not change nor does it allow you to change it (it stays faded out). So what I ended up with is this.
15 folders containing all tracks from the SCDG's converted to .kma
So I do have all the tracks on the HD but the songbook will only see the first 99 tracks of each folder. IE. I end up with about 8400 .kma tracks but the songbook will only see about 1500 of them.

I hope that helps. Now since you asked, here are my thoughts on next versions.

First of all we need to realize that standard CDG's are a thing of the past and have been for a while. Anyone who is serious about this is either using HD files for their shows (I used Microstudio to convert mine) or at least super cdg's if they havn't yet figured out that they can extract SCDG data with the proper software.

(And by the way, for those of you who are reading this, the proper software will extract ALL track info from SCDG's, track, title, artist, etc. There is no need for any database, freedb etc.)

Dump that 99 track limit and allow batch conversion that will auto number the tracks after given a brand (*Cutom assembly*) disk id (My disk 1) and starting track # (001).

As I understand it now, I will have to redo all these tracks and will have to change the diskid for every 99 tracks IE. DiskID SCDG01-1 for the first 99 and SCDG01-02 for the next, please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you,
Kevin Kennedy

[lmcmains]

First of all we need to realize that standard CDG's are a thing of the past and have been for a while. Anyone who is serious about this is either using HD files for their shows (I used Microstudio to convert mine) or at least super cdg's if they havn't yet figured out that they can extract SCDG data with the proper software.

I disagree with this. I for one still buy the CDG's. They are a good back up. I know lots of other KJ's that run "Hoster" and still buy CDG's. I never have any problems when I import CDG disc's. I've been a KJ for a long time and I still think it's still the best format to buy. That's just my 2 cents about formats.

[gduns - with the Lord]

I disagree with this. I for one still buy the CDG's. They are a good back up. I know lots of other KJ's that run "Hoster" and still buy CDG's. I never have any problems when I import CDG disc's. I've been a KJ for a long time and I still think it's still the best format to buy. That's just my 2 cents about formats

Ditto that.

I have to bite my tongue to keep from posting to this thread, I think the 99 track limit is a reasonable thing. I won't buy scdg's because of the fact if one gets cracked, or scratched, you are out much more than the 15.00 you have to pay now for a replacement. I dont see an over-abundance of kj's beating the door's down to buy them, or they wouldnt be still making cdg's.

Hoster was created as it is with the 99 track limit from the feedback of the thousands of hoster users. Maybe instead of being critical if you took a poll of the users who would like to change it to larger limit it could be done

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by gduns

Ditto that.

I have to bite my tongue to keep from posting to this thread, I think the 99 track limit is a reasonable thing. I won't buy scdg's because of the fact if one gets cracked, or scratched, you are out much more than the 15.00 you have to pay now for a replacement. I dont see an over-abundance of kj's beating the door's down to buy them, or they wouldnt be still making cdg's.

Hoster was created as it is with the 99 track limit from the feedback of the thousands of hoster users. Maybe instead of being critical if you took a poll of the users who would like to change it to larger limit it could be done

Gary I agree with you, except that some of us were unfortunately taken in by CAVS that may have had a good idea, but whose equipment and software really is very sub-quality. So to try to recoup some of our losses we have to turn to the great guys at MTU who at least listen to their customers far more than any other company.

Kevin, I have been there and just as frustrated as you with this particular situation. MTU has proposed a couple of solutions and I know one way or another they will come through but thiese kind of programming changes do not come over night. I don't know how you can say that they sold you a defective program because Hoster does work exactly as advertised.

[Beavis]

dale are you telling me i bought a defective program ??


can i get a refund admin ????

original purchase price $465 if i remember correctly.

then i can re-buy and save a bundle !

what is it now ?? about a buck and a half ??

[kevinkennedy]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Gary I agree with you, except that some of us were unfortunately taken in by CAVS that may have had a good idea, but whose equipment and software really is very sub-quality. So to try to recoup some of our losses we have to turn to the great guys at MTU who at least listen to their customers far more than any other company.

Kevin, I have been there and just as frustrated as you with this particular situation. MTU has proposed a couple of solutions and I know one way or another they will come through but thiese kind of programming changes do not come over night. I don't know how you can say that they sold you a defective program because Hoster does work exactly as advertised.

Hi Gary
I didn't say the whole shebang is defective!! I just have copy of the product that has a bug or two. It could just be a corrupt dll file when the program unzipped.

[kevinkennedy]

Originally Posted by gduns

Ditto that.

I have to bite my tongue to keep from posting to this thread, I think the 99 track limit is a reasonable thing. I won't buy scdg's because of the fact if one gets cracked, or scratched, you are out much more than the 15.00 you have to pay now for a replacement. I dont see an over-abundance of kj's beating the door's down to buy them, or they wouldnt be still making cdg's.

Hoster was created as it is with the 99 track limit from the feedback of the thousands of hoster users. Maybe instead of being critical if you took a poll of the users who would like to change it to larger limit it could be done

Hi Gduns
Sounding critical was not my intention. I simply answered the questions that were posed.

I can see your point on the cdg opposed to scdg. I just look at it another way. Regular cdg's cost about .80 per track where scdg only cost about .02 per track and once you load them to hard drive and back them up, your done with them anyway.

Thanks
Kevin

[admin]

Originally Posted by kevinkennedy

I can see your point on the cdg opposed to scdg. I just look at it another way. Regular cdg's cost about .80 per track where scdg only cost about .02 per track and once you load them to hard drive and back them up, your done with them anyway.

Look at it this way... the royalties on a song in the USA varies from $0.11 to $0.27. Songs that cost you $0.02 or $0.20 apiece are ILLEGAL, and probably even $0.30 is ILLEGAL.

This has been the reason why MTU has refused to support SCDG discs in the past.

However, we are re-evaluating how we can provide a more efficient way to import these files that Hoster was not initially designed to import.