Hoster screen flashing on & off with 3.313

[bill moore]

don't forget me !!!!!!!

[Beavis]

count me out ! still a version behind.

[bryant]

I'm gonna follow admin's advice from now on. Skip a version now and then. Right, Beav.

[Beavis]

i always wait.

[bryant]

I actually waited a while on this, and actually skipped right by 3.112, should waited longer, though, you're right Beav.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Beavis

i always wait.

Beavis, I'm ashamed of you advising this!

We have an excellent Beta Testing team that beats us to death until we get everything down. Sometimes, for MTU reasons, we must do a release with a known bug still in it. Gee.... and Microsoft had how many million bugs in Windows?

Beavis, if you always wait for the "second next" release to come out, you are still running with bugs that were fixed in the next release.

Read the bugs we fixed in 3.313 that were reported in 3.312. All those who reported them are very happy with 3.313, and as you can see in this post, there many who don't see your problem. The VAST MAJORITY of users are running fine.

The problem reported in this thread is a SYSTEM RELATED BUG. It is clear it is a bug, but it is also clear that only a very few are experiencing it. Those of you who are, yes, roll back to 3.312 as for you it is an unacceptable bug.

But Beavis... get outta here with your "don't upgrade" advice! If everyone followed that, we'd never find problems like this one.

As kilith clearly restated the same thing I had stated earlier, we need facts. Everyone, read your posts. EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS. No facts. Stop the "agreeing with each other" posts that waste everyone's time, and post whatever facts you can bombard us with (we NEVER have too many facts). Then, maybe from the cumulative set of facts a picture will become clear where to look.

Hoster 3.314 will be the next project we are on in 2007. If we don't have any facts from those of you who are experiencing the problem, it won't be fixed in 3.314 either! The NEXT release will be Hoster 4.0, which will be many months off. I hope that's enough incentive to get you to post your facts!

[Beavis]

Originally Posted by admin

Beavis, I'm ashamed of you advising this!

We have an excellent Beta Testing team that beats us to death until we get everything down. Sometimes, for MTU reasons, we must do a release with a known bug still in it. Gee.... and Microsoft had how many million bugs in Windows?

Beavis, if you always wait for the "second next" release to come out, you are still running with bugs that were fixed in the next release.

Read the bugs we fixed in 3.313 that were reported in 3.312. All those who reported them are very happy with 3.313, and as you can see in this post, there many who don't see your problem. The VAST MAJORITY of users are running fine.

The problem reported in this thread is a SYSTEM RELATED BUG. It is clear it is a bug, but it is also clear that only a very few are experiencing it. Those of you who are, yes, roll back to 3.312 as for you it is an unacceptable bug.

But Beavis... get outta here with your "don't upgrade" advice! If everyone followed that, we'd never find problems like this one.

As kilith clearly restated the same thing I had stated earlier, we need facts. Everyone, read your posts. EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS. No facts. Stop the "agreeing with each other" posts that waste everyone's time, and post whatever facts you can bombard us with (we NEVER have too many facts). Then, maybe from the cumulative set of facts a picture will become clear where to look.

Hoster 3.314 will be the next project we are on in 2007. If we don't have any facts from those of you who are experiencing the problem, it won't be fixed in 3.314 either! The NEXT release will be Hoster 4.0, which will be many months off. I hope that's enough incentive to get you to post your facts!

OUCH !!!

i guess im not getting hoster 4.0 in my stocking this year

sorry admin. i guess im just one of those guys that has an iron clad machine for a computer.

i will upgrade and post my results after the first of the year.

i like to get your blood pumping every now and then admin


see what you got me in bryant JK

[kilith]

Even though I have not seen any of the problems everyone else is facing... I did roll back for the mean time to 3.312. I still have tried everything I could to produce the problems everyone else is having and I just can not repeat them (guess I am a one of the lucky ones ).

I could make it crash but I was doing it in a very mean way lol... I would play a song and then put Madden 07 back up over the top and that would crash Hoster lol however I know no one would be doing something like this at one of their shows (or at least I hope they would not rofl )

And yeah peeps upgrade to the new versions... push them to the limits you can and see what you can find wrong with them. Not every beta test can catch everything. They do not have every type of computer out there with all the different configs of sound cards, video cards, processors, windows configs, hard drives, and any other software/hardware you use in your computers. That is why it is VERY important to thoese who are having the problems find out your exact video card, sound card, processor, ect ect and post that in your posts... It has to be a hardware related problem that I know I can not create. You all could have NVIDIA cards and see we would not know that because you are not telling MTU. If you remember in a post in the past they had problems with some NVIDIA cards.

Bryant lol he just ment to skip ever .*13 version as in the number 13 is an unlucky number lol however it is one of my lucky numbers haha go figure I would have no problems with 3.313

With my post it does help the admins cause they see in my sig what type of computer I am running on and know that computer config it works

Later

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by admin

I DEFINITELY want to identify what it is. But as I said in a prior post, our LEAD PROGRAMMER already looked at it, following the steps gd123 listed (and Bob Moore verified that it does it on his M8's system too), but it doesn't show up on our systems. That is a requirement for us to fix this type of problem.

SO... let's see some posts of...

* What other programs are running

* What Windows you are running

* etc....

When enough folks experiencing this problem post facts about their system, then a pattern will start to evolve. We have solved this type of problem before with this technique. Also, someone might post that little tid-bit they almost didn't, and it turns out to be the key that solves the puzzle.

Here is the DXDIAG info for the system and graphics for 4 computers all having slow redraw problem

I would also note that on my 4 machines I get the slow redraw on all KMA types (HDCDG etc) as well as ZIPS and MP3G's played from the MP3G tab.
I do not have the problem while playing WMA or MP3 music from the "audio" tab, nor do I have the problem while playing videos that are WMV Mpeg MPG or AVI (These are the only kinds I have).

My symptons have generally just been the slow redraw when closing the database search or file folder. I have not experienced any audio drops or problems with the lyrics on the TV - In fact I slid an open folder over to the TV and closed it and did not have any negative effects at all with the lyrics.

I have had this happen with all prior versions of Hoster when closing a VIDEO, AUDIO or MP3G tab, but now it is a little bit more pronounced.

The first two computers have all the resource reducing recomendations listed in the manual (Troubleshooting Audio Drops) - implemented.
My second two computers have none implemented.

I have no other programs running and nothing running in the background that I can detect.


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System Information Show Computer / Shuttle FN41
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:06:51
Machine name: KARAOKE-W8M3E9V
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 992MB RAM
Page File: 99MB used, 4901MB available
Windows Dir: E:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Display Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01F0&SUBSYS_F5401297&REV_A3
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-42B0-11CF-BC55-4AD502C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x01F0
SubSys ID: 0xF5401297
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
***************************************************************

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System Information Backup Shuttle / FN41
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 18:39:38
Machine name: KARAOKES-T5TKHQ
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 992MB RAM
Page File: 90MB used, 2861MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Display Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01F0&SUBSYS_F5401297&REV_A3
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.13.0010.4114 (English)
DDI Version: 8
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/10/2003 06:04:00, 2686794 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/10/2003 06:04:00, 1180282 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-42B0-11CF-3561-4AD501C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x01F0
SubSys ID: 0xF5401297
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
****************************************************

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System Information Dell Laptop Inspiron 1000 (not used in public)
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:21:11
Machine name: KELLI
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corp.
System Model: Inspiron 1000
BIOS: PhoenixBIOS 4.0 Release 6.0
Processor: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 222MB RAM
Page File: 100MB used, 444MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: The registry information for the DirectPlay application 'Stronghold' is missing or damaged. You should reinstall that application.

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DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
---------------
Card name: SiS M650
Manufacturer: SiS
Chip type: SiS M650 Rev 00
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_6325&SUBSYS_01951028&REV_00
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: SiSGRV.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.3592 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 6/11/2004 21:00:44, 1138688 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: sisgrp.sys
Mini VDD Date: 6/10/2004 16:56:16, 216320 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71ED9-2065-11CF-907D-9F21A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1039
Device ID: 0x6325
SubSys ID: 0x01951028
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_D ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG1_A
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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System Information Emachines T2824 (not used in public)
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:16:05
Machine name: YOUR-FH1VWRVR0B
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: eMachines
System Model: D845GVSR
BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/03/04 01:53:07 Ver: 08.00.08
Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz, ~2.5GHz
Memory: 502MB RAM
Page File: 115MB used, 1115MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

------------
DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
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Card name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2562&SUBSYS_53528086&REV_01
Display Memory: 64.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ialmrnt5.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.3722 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/29/2004 18:13:06, 36927 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ialmnt5.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/29/2004 18:13:06, 95579 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B78E66-6622-11CF-BCED-5873A0C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x2562
SubSys ID: 0x53528086
Revision ID: 0x0001
Revision ID: 0x0001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

Sam

[ddouglass]

Sam, would you post what your virtual memory settings are? The amount is listed but it doesn't tell you whether it variable controlled by XP or set to a constant amount. Also what settings do you have on the Performance tab?

[admin]

Originally Posted by bryant

I'm gonna follow admin's advice from now on. Skip a version now and then. Right, Beav.

Uh... that was NOT my advice.

I said those who are experiencing the problem should roll back to 3.312.