Problem New 3.0

[kedmison]

Thanks for the information.

Kelly

[kedmison]

Apparently, the new MS 3.0 is not designed to compile a disc containg more than 18 songs. Years ago when I began karaoke I used a Sony 400 to hold my cdgs. I used MS to compile songs so I could get as many on a disc a possible to conserve space while keeping my originals at home. Since then of course I have gone digital. But I still compile my discs before putting them into Hoster.

I also from time to time find a version of a song which I feel is better than the one I have. At that point I take the compiled disc; copy it back into MS; switch out the song I want; rewrite the compiled disc and then put it back into Hotser. Very few of my compiled discs contain less than 20 songs. I even have some discs with as many as 26 songs. These being "oldies" songs which are much shorter in length compared to todays music.

Until maybe MTU can find a way to correct this , I will revert to the older version. I must admit I also find the older version much faster in operation. I am sure there are major benneifts to the newer version. But until they meet my need I will use the older one.
Maybe this is something that MTU can address.

However I am still a very satisfied MTU customer.

Kelly

[George]

Kelly,

Having difficulty believing there is a track limitation.

There is no mention of a track limitation in the manual, and the example shown under the HOW TO WRITE CUSTOM DISCS section shows the write screen with 21 tracks.

Certainly hope there's not such a low track limitation as 18, considering the number of discs out there that have 20 tracks; 10 demos and 10 Karaoke tracks. Would make it impossible to re-do a badly swept track in KHP and write a new disc.

Take care,

George

[kedmison]

I wouldn't think so either George, but today I repeatedly tried different discs that contained at least 20 songs. It failed on 20; failed on 19; but would begin writing if the song count was lowered to 18. So,... for the time being I have deleted 3.0 and went back to 2.613.

Kelly

[Roy Dennis]

Originally Posted by kedmison

I wouldn't think so either George, but today I repeatedly tried different discs that contained at least 20 songs. It failed on 20; failed on 19; but would begin writing if the song count was lowered to 18. So,... for the time being I have deleted 3.0 and went back to 2.613.

Kelly

After reading your problem with 18 songs limit on version 3.0 Itried it myself and had the same problem when copying from a cd+g but managed to copy 20 songs by loading in kma files plus it copied quicker.

Roy.

[dclark]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

After reading your problem with 18 songs limit on version 3.0 Itried it myself and had the same problem when copying from a cd+g but managed to copy 20 songs by loading in kma files plus it copied quicker.

Roy,

What do you mean by "cd+g"? Are these *.bin files? The old *.cdg files (which are just another name for *.bin files)? Or something else?

I have written a disc successfully with 25 songs (some of them only 1:30 in length), so I know it is not a count limitation, at least not for the combinations of files that I used. I added *.bin, *.wav, and *.kma files. By the way, if you add a *.wav file to a Karaoke (CD+G) disc, Microstudio™ will write blank graphics to the CD.

We'll keep investigating this issue, but any further information you can provide to us regarding this will be greatly appreciated.

[Roy Dennis]

Hi Dclark
What I mean by CD+G is Karaoke CD. I tried loading a Karaoke CD by going to Import Tracks, then press the Karaoke CD button and read disc button, it loaded the full 20 songs from the disc. I then press the add Songs to write list button which it does and shows 3 min remaining on disc. I then press test cd button and it starts by saying preparing disc, then after a time it comes up with failed. Now if I knock the list down to 18 tracks it works alright.

I had no problems with previous versions.

I have a dell inspiron 5150 laptop. The internal cd/dvd writer works alright with the HWEC turned off. and I have an external Plexwriter premium-U CD-RW drive which works fine with HWEC turned on.

As I said if I load 20 or more songs in from my library off kma files it writes fine.

Hope this makes things clearer.

Roy

[admin]

Originally Posted by kedmison

1. Apparently, the new MS 3.0 is not designed to compile a disc containg more than 18 songs. Years ago when I began karaoke I used a Sony 400 to hold my cdgs. I used MS to compile songs so I could get as many on a disc a possible to conserve space while keeping my originals at home. Since then of course I have gone digital. But I still compile my discs before putting them into Hoster.

2. Until maybe MTU can find a way to correct this , I will revert to the older version. I must admit I also find the older version much faster in operation. I am sure there are major benneifts to the newer version. But until they meet my need I will use the older one.
Maybe this is something that MTU can address.

1. We'll check on this first thing Monday morning. It could be a bug lurking.

2. I'd love to know any functions where you find 3.0 slower. That will give us a target to shoot for.

[kedmison]

Thanks Admin. The slowest thing I have found and I guess it's because of the bin. file; put in a disc and say ie. select songs 3, 4, 6 8. And you click to add those songs to the play side. It takes a LONG time before it moves them there. I'm sure it's because MS is converting them to bin.

I just know that when you do the same thing with the older version; it almost instant.

The writing in the new version does seem faster.

Kelly

[admin]

Originally Posted by kedmison

Select songs 3, 4, 6 8. And you click to add those songs to the play side. It takes a LONG time before it moves them there. I'm sure it's because MS is converting them to bin.

I just know that when you do the same thing with the older version; it almost instant.

That is correct Kelly. This is a tradeoff that comes with our new CD/DVD drive interface code. Our older drive interface code was able to play directly from the disc in the drive. We asked our new vendor if they provided the "buffers" directly that we could play on the fly, and they gave us a long-winded "NO".

We don't like this either! I have documented this in our spec for a future (not 3.001) review to see if we can do something in our own code.

[kedmison]

Thanks guys. That I can live with. Now if we can find out why it won't let me write more than 18 songs.

Kelly

[George]

Began to wonder if some of the problems I encountered were inherant to the DEMO version, and if problems others were having were due to a general bug, so I downloaded the full MS3.000.

All I tested with was CDG material. I use no other

Sony 710A working like a charm, along with the Plextor 712A, using no HWEC

There was no problem reading the media as I had in the demo.

I had no problem writing 20 tracks. ADMIN, it's not a general bug.

When I moved the tracks to the write phase it took quite a bit of time to read the disc, but it did read and write them.

No problem playing with either drive.

No problem duplicating disc with the Sony reading and the Plextor writing.

The program tells me that none of the other MTU programs(Vogone, Keyrite, or KHP) are on the pc which is not so. It is not linking to them, and I can see no way to set the path like we should be able to.

I'll post my stats since most everything is working well here.

George