How can I replace a track already imported as a KMA file?

[bryant]

I have received excellent help from Gduns, Nreel, Beavis, and ADMIN on this before. I have read and reread the manual(which is excellent, by the way) on reimports. I think my problem is that I haven't stated my situation clearly. Please let me try again?

1) I imported a disc of 15 songs, assigned it Disc ID 4-05, and the book ID to 405.

2) Track number 15 was unsatisfactory and needs to be reimported.

3) I have a good copy of track 15 as a bin file in a folder on the HD.

4) As previously advised, I prefaced this filename with
405-15 - and this worked quite well.

5) When I click "add files" the file DOES come up on the track list with the correct song title and artist and as track
number 15 disc id 4-05.

6) I now assign book ID as 405 so this track will have a final book ID of 40515 , consistent with others from the disc.

7) When I click on "import file" here is where I get the message "Book ID already in use, please assign another Book ID".

I believe the program, at this point, checks for existing book ID's and DOES NOT allow any way to append to the existing when reimporting from the HD.

However, I have re-imported tracks from discs and it DOES append to existing book ID's quite well. But does not allow this to happen from a HD-import over a previously imported disc.

I wonder if I start over (erase all disc ID 405 files) and import track 15 from the HD first, then import the other 14 tracks from the disc afterwards.

I did this: Put the track #15 from the HD folder in first, then went to the original CDG and clicked on the first 14 songs (a good 15th already in there from HD-import).

CONCLUSION: For some reason, the program will NOT allow the mixing of import/reimport of HD-bin and discs. It will not allow the same bookrootID.

The easiest way now would be to put dummy songs on a cd-rw. Here is my problem here. The rewrite disc always says "disc not empty".
My question: Is there a special unique way to burn music on cd-rw that is erasable and reusable, or a certain type of music cd-rw required for this? Or would you suggest simply using 15 cd-r's to do this? I know they are inexpensive enough.

Sorry for the wordy post, but I want to let you know exactly what I've done so far, and I really appreciate all your guidance so far, but am still in need of your help, Please, as I have 15 OR 16 discs I have to do this to.

Bryant from Maine

[Beavis]

hey B,

here is my opinion on the 15th track


it usually the worst song that no one sings on the cdg. dont worry about it.

[bryant]

After taking a close look, you are mostly right about that, Mike. There are a few though, but that'll cut my time down quite a bit if i don't worry about the others.

I did go out and get some music cd-rw, seem to be especially suited for burning music, erasing, and rewriting tracks. mybe that'll work on the ones I do decide to re-import.

I had one CB disc that track 9 thru 17 was really unacceptable, too. Weird huh!

[mindonstrike]

I had one CB disc that track 9 thru 17 was really unacceptable, too. Weird huh!

Not in my opinion. I've got about 150 CB disks and probably 10 of them are that way and there are individual tracks on most of the rest of them that are approaching unacceptable. Similiar problems with Sweet Georgia Brown.

[bryant]

MindonS: Did you make any attempt at re-importing or did you choose to live with a certain amount of snowflakes, and/or how did you replace the ones that needed replacement, if any.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by mindonstrike

I mix 'em all the time when I'm trying to conserve rootid#s. Sam

How exactly do you mix them all up (imports from HD and imports of cdg tracks) with the same bookroot ID. Mine gets all the way to the import checked disc, THEN and only THEN is the problem. It lets you assign the root ID that matches the current diskID, the checks to see if its already in use, then doesn't allow a second use from the other type of import.

Mind, can you please tell me how you did in fact do this.

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

MindonS: Did you make any attempt at re-importing or did you choose to live with a certain amount of snowflakes, and/or how did you replace the ones that needed replacement, if any.

Oh Yeah, I tried reimporting and occasionally that would help. I tried making a copy and then importing from the copy and occasionally that would help. If the crap on the screen goets to the point of embarasment I either just pull the song or replace with another brand. Most of these I owned before using Hoster but because of this problem I no longer purchase CB except for the occasional song that no other "quality" brand has.

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

How exactly do you mix them all up (imports from HD and imports of cdg tracks) with the same bookroot ID. Mine gets all the way to the import checked disc, THEN and only THEN is the problem. It lets you assign the root ID that matches the current diskID, the checks to see if its already in use, then doesn't allow a second use from the other type of import.

Mind, can you please tell me how you did in fact do this.

Just title the file with the diskid that is assigned to that rootid. As soon as you click add files the rootid should pop up on it's own. If you have to enter it then Hoster thinks the diskid's are different for some reason. Sometimes that reason is obvious only once you figure it out.

Essentially I do the same as Nreels post#5 except I use manuf diskids such as PHMR0502 instead of the bookids as diskids as well, but it should all work the same.

[bryant]

MindonStrike;
I believe that is exactly what I have done.
... and the disk ID is picked up as the current
one I am trying to add new songs to... BUT the
root ID still asks me for input(instead of putting in the originally assigned root ID from the disc import).

What can I possibly be doing wrong? Are you absolutely sure that you use "same root IDs between HD and disc imports

I thought I was really getting quite good at this program to this point, but this one is still reaaaaly buggin' me..

[mindonstrike]

Not sure what else to suggest except do a database search or edit song search for those book ids and make sure the diskid and brand come up as you are expecting.
Not recomended but worse comes to worse you can always force it to work.

[nreel]

Post #41

I imported a disc of 15 songs, assigned it Disc ID 4-05

Post #5 nreel

Unless you've given the DiscID a BRAND. Then, you'll need to Preface 600 with whatever Brand you ORIGINALLY Imported the Disc on. You can look in your KMA Folder to determine this.

I informed you that you should LOOK in your KMA Folder. If you would have looked in your KMA Folder, you would have seen the KMA files, pertaining to this DiscID, as, what you stated:

4-05

which means,

Disc 4 Track 05

If this is the case, then, you need to RENAME the Trk you are trying to RE-IMPORT as:

4-Track Number - Artist - Title.Bin


All the above is NOT what you were advised to do, in the first place. You were advised to assign BRAND as 600, DiscID as 600 and BookID as 600. (Or 405...whatever the case may be)

Had you done this, your KMAs, pertaining to this Disc, would have looked like this in your KMA Folder:

600-1 thru 600-15

which means,

DiscID 600, Track 1 thru Track 15

There is NO BRAND that prefaces the KMA File. You will ONLY have a DiscID Number.

If you had been IMPORTING Discs, like 99.9% of everyone else (which means there is ONLY .1% that could possibly help you with this problem...assuming that that .1% even had the time or would take the time to articulate and POST in this Forum), you would have seen a BRAND assigned to the BEGINNING of the DiscID and would be viewed in your KMA Folder like this:

Example:
SC8444-1

which means,

BRAND=SC (For Sound Choice Spotlight...as Printed on the Disc)
DiscID=8444 (as PRINTED on the Sound Choice Spotlight Disc)
Track= #1

Since you didn't IMPORT the standard way, you couldn't OBSERVE a normal IMPORT in order to be able to COMPARE your ALTERNATE method of Importing.

Hence, the million questions.

Label your HARD DRIVE Track correctly, and it will Import/Re-import correctly.

[bryant]

nReel, thanx again. And wonderfully said, really clear as well.
I have finally done it correctly. My problem, along with not being totally clear in the beginning too, was that my disc ID which was 4-05 and corresponded to root ID 405, was prefaced as 405, and should have been prefaced as 4-05. I did this while properly spacing the other dashes and the disc ID popped up with the root ID and all greyed out to boot. I knew I had it then.
With the discs that had 8 or 10 bad imports, I now use a "music CD-RW" for those; using very small bin files for dummies.
Everything works really fast as far as reimports go now.

I wanna thank you, incsmain, beavis, mindonstrike, and others who were patient with me. I think most of my million questions will slow down now, and perhaps I can be promoted to one that can help others on this forum.

Moral of the story: Stay away from CB discs as much as possible when importing!

Again, thanks for being really clear when I should have.

[Beavis]

your welcome !