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[Lonman]

Originally Posted by Rockrz

Well, if there is actual cases where the courts are ruling that you cannot convert your CD+Gs over to a hard drive... then that means you cannot legally do that.

No there are actual cases that rule that shifting them WITHOUT their permission (again Sound Choice only at this time) is not legal. Going through the audit for Sound Choice will authorize the media shift.

I wonder if any music publishers are suing DJs for putting regular music on a hard drive and playing it in a public venue... cause if you can't do this with CD+Gs, then certainly you cannot do it with regular music.

Publishers won't go after dj's, they will go after the club they play in for the PRO fees - but if an illegal dj (no paid for music) is working there, then they will hit up the dj too.
Regular music do not have the same licensing. CDG is an audio/visual where as music is just audio. Sync rights do not apply, so different rules for non-cdg music. Stupid yes!

[Rockrz]

No there are actual cases that rule that shifting them WITHOUT their permission is not legal. Going through the audit for Sound Choice will authorize the media shift.

Huh? Shifting from disc to hard drive without permission is OK?

Or, did you mean to say shifting with their permission is OK?

This is all so goofy... if you purchased the original, then you should be able to have a back up whether it be in a CDR or one a hard drive.

So, if you ditch the latop... can you play your back up CDR at your shows if you purchased the original?

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by Rockrz

Huh? Shifting from disc to hard drive without permission is OK?

Or, did you mean to say shifting with their permission is OK?

This is all so goofy... if you purchased the original, then you should be able to have a back up whether it be in a CDR or one a hard drive.

So, if you ditch the latop... can you play your back up CDR at your shows if you purchased the original?

Per Sound Choice, shifting THEIR product to computer (or CDR) is illegal (not ok) unless you submit to an audit - which the audit is showing SC that the SC tracks on the computer match up 1 to 1 with the original discs.
Once you get the audit, the media shift of their product is now considered authorized (ok).

[Rockrz]

What if you only have two SC disks and you aren't planning on getting any more?

Will they still make you pay $4000 for the audit?

Does that cover air fare, hotel and car rental to get to their place... or do they come to you?

Just curious about the details of the audit.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by Rockrz

What if you only have two SC disks and you aren't planning on getting any more?

Will they still make you pay $4000 for the audit?

Does that cover air fare, hotel and car rental to get to their place... or do they come to you?

Just curious about the details of the audit.

The audit costs $225 I believe and no if you only had 2 discs, they will most likely work with you for a few bucks. And it's usually done by Skype or they'll send someone out to verify.

[Rockrz]

OK, I may offend someone... but, that's not too bad to assure that they won't be on your back in the future.

What about the other manufacturers? How do you get permission from them to go digital?

[RIKKI TIKKI]

Rockrz,

At this time Sound Choice is the only manufacturer that is Suing the KJ or Venue over Illegal or Unauthorized Media Shifts of their Original Media (CDG's) to a hardrive. Chartbuster has also been indicating that they are "watching" the SC results of their Business Model of Litigation to expose the Piracy or Trade Mark Infringement of their product. As Lonman states, as long as you can prove 1:1 disk to hardrive ratio, and the venue has paid their PRO ( BMI, ASCAP, ) Fees, then you should be safe from prosecution... but without the Audit from SC authorizing the media-shift to computer, you could still be investigated (during show) and named in a lawsuit... then during discovery at the trial, an audit MUST be performed, and the cost to the KJ is much higher...

The forum section at Karaoke Scene Magazine has a lot of information that we won't re-hash here, but if you're interested, go sign up to the forum at karaokescene.com and read to your hearts content...