Hoster 5.00 Tempo Change - in 5.06 released Mar 15, 2011

[WaltR]

I've waited a long time for hoster 5.00 as well as many of you. The good news is that it was a free upgrade and I do like many of the changes. The bad news is that it still does not offer tempo change! I really expected to see it in this version. Disappointed!

Walt

[Lonman]

Not yet

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by WaltR

I've waited a long time for hoster 5.00 as well as many of you. The good news is that it was a free upgrade and I do like many of the changes. The bad news is that it still does not offer tempo change! I really expected to see it in this version. Disappointed!

Walt

This is still being worked on, so should be in soon, but Admin did not want to add it until it was working correctly.

[WaltR]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

This is still being worked on, so should be in soon, but Admin did not want to add it until it was working correctly.

I have been hearing this for much to long. It is clear to me that this is not a priority to MTU. It is a priority to me. I won't be waiting much longer when I know that competitive products offer pitch control.

Walt

[RIKKI TIKKI]

Originally Posted by WaltR

I have been hearing this for much to long. It is clear to me that this is not a priority to MTU. It is a priority to me. I won't be waiting much longer when I know that competitive products offer pitch control.

Walt

Pitch Control???

Tempo is close to being incorporated into one of the following updates, but MTU doesn't want to release an inferior product... sorry ADMIN, if I over stated the situation... just hard for me to be as patient with some, as Dale & You are...

I've tried the other programs, and for ease of use, and support you can't beat Hoster, Walt! Hope you wait for the polished product... but in case you don't, I'll wager that you will come back to MTU with your tail dragging between your legs, because the competing Karaoke hosting program didn't, or couldn't deliver what you thought they had advertised... Please prove me wrong! I've eaten humble pie before... but as for Hoster and MTU products, I've never been disappointed!

[Musicman51]

RIKKI, the "Pitch Control" walt is speaking of is "Tempo". Pitch control is very different from key changing. Whenever you alter the "Tempo" of recorded music, you do indeed also change the "Pitch". Pitch Control, is a throw back from the dj years gone by. Most entertainment DJs use "Pitch Control" on their table top scratch players to fine tune BPM's of a song to fit into the atmosphere of that dance set. Very seldom if ever to actually change the "pitch" of a song to sing it. I can alter the speed of a cdg in my studio, put it back into the original key with keyrite, tap it out as a new CDG with KHpro, burn it with microstudio for a finished cdg product.

I also call it pitch control. I have changed the speed {tempo}of several songs for my singers. Then rewrote them using KH pro. Karaoke home producer is a money maker for me. A great piece of software. I couldn't do the karaoke show i do, without keyrite, microstudio, and khpro. My singers demand special versions of songs. They are not commercially available. However with mtu software, your creative abilities are endless. Even for an old self taught hillbilly computer hack like myself. If i can get through this software, anyone can.

[Lonman]

A pitch wheel is very different than tempo control.
The pitch wheel will altar speed but it will also alter the key as well so if you want to sing a song that was sped up, you would need a key changer to drop the key back down to the original key.
The tempo control will only alter the speed digitally without affecting the key of the song at all. If the song is sped up or slowed down - doesn't matter, the key remains the same.

[OneEskalera]

So, When is the tempo control coming out? It was promised on Hoster 4.o but did not make it. It was not on priority list but a lot of us want it. Now it was on 5.0 list again???

[Musicman51]

The pitch wheel will altar speed but it will also alter the key as well so if you want to sing a song that was sped up, you would need a key changer to drop the key back down to the original key.

Ummm...that's exactly what i said...

[WaltR]

Originally Posted by RIKKI TIKKI

Pitch Control???

Tempo is close to being incorporated into one of the following updates, but MTU doesn't want to release an inferior product... sorry ADMIN, if I over stated the situation... just hard for me to be as patient with some, as Dale & You are...

I've tried the other programs, and for ease of use, and support you can't beat Hoster, Walt! Hope you wait for the polished product... but in case you don't, I'll wager that you will come back to MTU with your tail dragging between your legs, because the competing Karaoke hosting program didn't, or couldn't deliver what you thought they had advertised... Please prove me wrong! I've eaten humble pie before... but as for Hoster and MTU products, I've never been disappointed!

Yes I meant tempo not pitch. I didn't say I was going to go else where, I said I wasn't going to wait much longer. I have waited a long time and had high hopes that it would be available with hoster 5.00. As far as what you mention as to competition. Have you tried some the lastest versions out there? I have heard great feedback from some that are using other products. There is always a trade off and each of us has to decide what is the important features that we want. I have stated below that I have no interest in videos and I don't use these in Hoster. Others really love this feature. The best features to me in Hoster is "remove silence" and the singers database with the memory of the key changes. The next important thing to me is "tempo" which is not in Hoster but is in some other products.


Walt

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by Musicman51

Ummm...that's exactly what i said...

Right but you also stated that adjust tempo will adjust the key - not so with the tempo control that is being worked on currently (closer now than ever was). You will be able to speed up or slow down a song WITHOUT affecting the key of the song.
So again a pitch wheel & tempo control are different in so that the pitch wheel affects the key when speeding or slowing, while the tempo control does not affect the key at all.

[RIKKI TIKKI]

Originally Posted by Musicman51

RIKKI, the "Pitch Control" walt is speaking of is "Tempo". Pitch control is very different from key changing. Whenever you alter the "Tempo" of recorded music, you do indeed also change the "Pitch". Pitch Control, is a throw back from the dj years gone by. Most entertainment DJs use "Pitch Control" on their table top scratch players to fine tune BPM's of a song to fit into the atmosphere of that dance set. Very seldom if ever to actually change the "pitch" of a song to sing it. I can alter the speed of a cdg in my studio, put it back into the original key with keyrite, tap it out as a new CDG with KHpro, burn it with microstudio for a finished cdg product.

I also call it pitch control. I have changed the speed {tempo}of several songs for my singers. Then rewrote them using KH pro. Karaoke home producer is a money maker for me. A great piece of software. I couldn't do the karaoke show i do, without keyrite, microstudio, and khpro. My singers demand special versions of songs. They are not commercially available. However with mtu software, your creative abilities are endless. Even for an old self taught hillbilly computer hack like myself. If i can get through this software, anyone can.

I agree about the MTU products that compliment Hoster... and George, I too, am an old fart trying to figure out some of the nuances of the other programs... and I still amaze some of my customers with KHPro finished projects...

Originally Posted by Lonman

A pitch wheel is very different than tempo control.
The pitch wheel will altar speed but it will also alter the key as well so if you want to sing a song that was sped up, you would need a key changer to drop the key back down to the original key.
The tempo control will only alter the speed digitally without affecting the key of the song at all. If the song is sped up or slowed down - doesn't matter, the key remains the same.

Lonnie is correct, digitally it will not affect the pitch... only the tempo... it is still to be determined whether is will be possible to make a tempo change on the fly, or if you will have to preset the amount of tempo when you place the song in the playlist...

Originally Posted by WaltR

Yes I meant tempo not pitch. I didn't say I was going to go else where, I said I wasn't going to wait much longer. I have waited a long time and had high hopes that it would be available with hoster 5.00. As far as what you mention as to competition. Have you tried some the lastest versions out there? I have heard great feedback from some that are using other products. There is always a trade off and each of us has to decide what is the important features that we want. I have stated below that I have no interest in videos and I don't use these in Hoster. Others really love this feature. The best features to me in Hoster is "remove silence" and the singers database with the memory of the key changes. The next important thing to me is "tempo" which is not in Hoster but is in some other products.


Walt

Walt, I won't try to speak for MTU, as to the timeframe of release for TEMPO CONTROL... just be assured that it won't be released until it is rock solid, and will play nice with all the other features that 5.xx is promising... Stay tuned...

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by RIKKI TIKKI

Lonnie is correct, digitally it will not affect the pitch... only the tempo... it is still to be determined whether is will be possible to make a tempo change on the fly, or if you will have to preset the amount of tempo when you place the song in the playlist...

If it isn't adjustable on the fly it wouldn't be very useable IMO. I don't get people asking me to adjust the speed before they start a song, it's during a song they ask - hey can you speed this up (slow it down) for me. In all honesty I don't get a whole lot of tempo change requests at all, but have on occasion since 92, maybe 10 times I can remember off hand.

[RIKKI TIKKI]

Same here Lonnie... not many requests for it... but once it's there, you have a choice to use it... or not... just like most of the new features... you mostly will have a choice if, and when you use the new buzzers & whistles (Features).

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by RIKKI TIKKI

Same here Lonnie... not many requests for it... but once it's there, you have a choice to use it... or not... just like most of the new features... you mostly will have a choice if, and when you use the new buzzers & whistles (Features).

Oh didn't say I wouldn't use it! Just it needs to have on the fly capability.

[Musicman51]

you tire me out....lol

[ddouglass]

Gentlemen please keep your post civil or I will delete them without notice.
Walt as I said MTU has been working on it and the beta testers have had some testing on it.It is not quite right so MTU decided not to include it yet. As you well know MTU doesn't release anything that is showing not to work correctly. Yes we would all like to have the Tempo control, however we want one that doesn't cause problems with the rest of the program.
Saying you are going to include something and actually getting the programming to mesh correctly are two different things. Cut them some slack and you will see a much better product than any other program on the market.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Gentlemen please keep your post civil or I will delete them without notice.

Didn't see anything 'uncivil', just discussion and clarification.

[WaltR]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Gentlemen please keep your post civil or I will delete them without notice.
Walt as I said MTU has been working on it and the beta testers have had some testing on it.It is not quite right so MTU decided not to include it yet. As you well know MTU doesn't release anything that is showing not to work correctly. Yes we would all like to have the Tempo control, however we want one that doesn't cause problems with the rest of the program.
Saying you are going to include something and actually getting the programming to mesh correctly are two different things. Cut them some slack and you will see a much better product than any other program on the market.

Dale,
I am not trying to stir the pot here, I simply stated I was disappointed that tempo was not in the 5.00 release and that it is important to me and wasn't going to wait much longer for it to show up in Hoster. I am sure they are working on it. My own opinion about MTU is that I regard them very highly and have been using their products for a long time. However, I think they are guilty of leading us to believe certain features are close and we end up waiting for a long time for something that is supposedly close. I remember when 4.00 was close to being released with all the bells and whistles we were led to beilieve was forth coming and it took well over a year before we had most of what we were expecting. We even had to pay for additional upgrades at times before we received what we were looking forward to. I know there were many problems that MTU had to deal with that they didn't expect, i.e. Vista. I am sorry if I opened a can of worms here, I simply stated I was disappointed. Sometimes we get caught up on the supporting the Chevy's when if fact the Ford may not be so bad after all, or vice-versa. Thanks for the input.

Walt

[OneEskalera]

I second Walt on this