Problem with adjust lyrics in KHPro 5.0

[admin]

Originally Posted by George

I see no reason for the adjust lyrics function to have been changed.

The old method was better and easier to use. Everything was accomplished with the mouse. Now we go from the mouse to the keyboard < > and the CTRL key. It's not near as user friendly, and doesn't seem to function as well either.

Duets or no I may go back to my older version. Day to day ease of use is more important to me than the occassional duet, and I do work with KHP almost every day.

Sorry,

George

Well, the adjust lyrics had to be changed to make it possible to do duets without spending hours per song. Should I regret that we added that function, or that we changed how Adjusting works? No, I don't.

George, as we always run into with existing users, the "old way" is what you are accustomed to using. Thus, there is a learning curve.

First, if you are spending so much time as you imply adjusting highlighting on miss-tapped words, you should reconsider placing the lyrics again. Unless you are different from us at MTU, and others who use KHPro daily also, you will do a faster and better job replacing the lyrics than editing many of them.

We didn't change the screen format or dimensions to make the "look and feel" identical for the majority of our users who don't use Adjust Lyrics. To do this, and add the duet line color assignments into the Adjust screen (the only place we perceived they could be added without an entirely new screen... which we chose not to do), we ran out of room to have four buttons (<, >, Ctrl+<, Ctrl+>) to mouse click.

This is the old "keyboardist" -vs- "mouser" -vs- "both" GUI. Yes, we now only provide keys to be used during the adjust operation. However, I see that as a minor relearning. I"m sure you may disagree, but once you have your selected word, and you use the Alt+n keys to initiate Adjust Play, it's simple to move your right hand two keys to the right and position over the < and > keys. The Ctrl key pressed with the left hand is no problem. Now, if you are demanding to be a 100% "mouser", then I can see my argument falls on deft ears.

I hope all the other features we added into 5.00 will make your CDG production easier. It's your choice to use or not use 5.00, but I don't see us adding these buttons back in.

[George]

Originally Posted by admin

First, if you are spending so much time as you imply adjusting highlighting on miss-tapped words, you should reconsider placing the lyrics again. Unless you are different from us at MTU, and others who use KHPro daily also, you will do a faster and better job replacing the lyrics than editing many of them.

Sorry you misread what I said, but I don't see where I implied I was spending a lot of time adjusting words on a song.

I said I use the program daily, not just the function in question. I rarely never have a homebrew project in the mill.

With that much practical experience over nine years and several hundred songs using the program I think I can see what works best from the user standpoint, and what doesn't. It only took a few moments to absorb the changes.

Take Care,
George

[stritti]

Hello,
just want to explain what I ment with 'move' words (it's of course my bad English. Sorry for that). I mean: When I use < then in the past the highlighted word changed the colour earlier (if you hit the spacebar too late while creating the lyrics). I did not want to start again from the beginning when I made a misstake just on one single word so I used the adjust lyrics screen and it worked so well. When I pressed < it changed the colour earlier and when I pressed > it started to change colour later (on the German keyboard > it's shift+> as < and > are on the same key).
Now at least on the German Keyboard < and > makes colour changing longer or shorter but does not make it to start earlier or later.
Ctrl + < does not work and nothing is changing and to get crtl + > I have to hit ctrl+ shift+>. This does not work too any more. Therefore my suggestion was to use < to start (I think you call it sweeping) earlier and > to start sweeping later and + to make sweeping on a word longer and - to make sweeping on a word shorter.

Yes I red the manual of course.
Maybe the problem I have is more clear now and of course it's clear that you had to change the function because of the duet option.

Sorry again for my bad English

Wolfgang from Germany

[alanross]

Wolfgang, Since I am using a standard American English keyboard, I can't really advise you on your keyboard, but I wanted to ask if you had tried to change the sweeping on the word that appears before the selected word?

In other words; if you have the line:

"I don't want to cry anymore"

and you are trying to change the word "cry"

did you try to use Ctrl< on the word "to"?

Using Crtl< on the word "to" will make the sweeping of "to" end a little sooner. Then you can use < on the word "cry" to make it begin a little sooner.

To simplify it even a little more, here's a little guide:

FOR EACH WORD
Use < to Begin sweeping a word a little Sooner
Use > to Begin sweeping a word a little Later
Use Crtl < to make the sweeping End a little Sooner
Use Crtl > to make the sweeping End a little Later

If the beginning of a word won't start any sooner when you use <, then you may have to go to the word before it and use Crtl < to make the previous word end sooner. Then you can move the beginning of the word you really want to change.

Does this makes sense to you? If this doesn't work, then perhaps the changes made to the program did create a problem for the German keyboard.

- Alan