Legality issues!!

[mlepine]

Quote by Alan Bingham:
I download them, and then use their software to put them back onto disk in CD+G format (but you have to use another companies software to burn the file to disk), I take them to shows and sing them. If a KJ were to tell me that he/she couldn't play my disk, I'd leave and go else where.

Perfect example why Microstudio should at least be able to burn from a bin file
It's not necessary to be able to play the bin file but having such a great cdg player that can burn cdg disk why not be able to burn a file done with any other software

The exclusif cdg format (extension) that MTU uses is excellent but it limits you to be in your own world when the reality is, any other brand uses the bin extension so why not be able to burn those file with Micro instead of having to get a software from ****

Regards

[kedmison]

Before I found MTU I had briefly (Few months)used GoldenHawk. They use a .bin file. If I remeber correctly I had no trouble using Micro Studio to copy some old compilations discs using MS.

Kelly

[George]

MLEPINE SAID:

The exclusif cdg format (extension) that MTU uses is excellent but it limits you to be in your own world when the reality is, any other brand uses the bin extension

Not saying that MTU should not recognize other formats, but to say that CDG is an MTU exclusive format that limits them to their own little world, when the REALITY is that CDG format still dominates probably 95% of the commercial manufacturered Karaoke discs is a statement that's just not so.

George

[admin]

Originally Posted by mlepine

Perfect example why Microstudio should at least be able to burn from a bin file
It's not necessary to be able to play the bin file but having such a great cdg player that can burn cdg disk why not be able to burn a file done with any other software

The exclusif cdg format (extension) that MTU uses is excellent but it limits you to be in your own world when the reality is, any other brand uses the bin extension so why not be able to burn those file with Micro instead of having to get a software from ****

Regards

Mike, read this thread where I address from an engineering AND user viewpoint why MTU does not support the .bin format for playing or importing individual files. As a matter of fact, we DO USE the .bin extension when we duplicate an entire disc image.

The thread above proves the .bin extension is NOT... I repeat... NOT a stable filename extension. If it ONLY was used for one type of format, we would support it in a heartbeat. However... it is not.

Why do other companies support it (in addition to GoldenHawk who first used it)? Because they don't provide free support. IMHO, it is impossible to support the .bin extension, which can have multiple NON-CDG format files all using the .bin extension.

Furthermore, you can rename your .bin files, created with non-MTU programs, to .cdg.... IF... you know they are CDG karaoke disc track files. Microstudio will use them correctly. It is your choice.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF MTU CUSTOMERS... only use our software. They don't use other software that create .bin files in various formats that confuses them. In fact, MANY of our customers first used CDRWIN and abandoned it because it was too complex to use and understand. Microstudio is easy, fast, clear,and above all... safe to use without confusion.

Now, please drop your complaint on this issue. It is your choice to rename your .bin files or not... or better still, only use Microstudio for your CDG file processing. Many of our other customers would be in deep trouble if they could get any .bin file, with no knowledge of what format it is in, and try to write or play it as a .cdg file.

[Island Extreme]

It's real simple - you can use one copy for every system you have - since I have only one system this is easy -

Now here is the tricky part - I WANT YOU BIG TIMERS TO BE HONEST Here...

Now I've been reading these posts and everyone seems to be honest so you tell me - once you have achieved the level of success - EVERY ONE OF YOU IS GOING OUT AND PURCHASING AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF YOUR LIBRARY???

I'm getting started (for work but have been having parties for fun for 6 years now)
Now this would cost me about $5000 if I could even get a duplicate.

Now no way am I advocating STEALING the second copy although It must happen somewhere - Is there some way that you can pay the manufacturer something to duplicate it? Are there any other options for LEGALLY making a second system - I know it would cost some of you $20,000 to do this legally and where would you keep all the extra disks???

I guess I'm really thinking ahead and planning on being VERY successful to even think like this!!

Mahalo,
-Sean
Island Extreme Entertainment, Hawaii

[mlepine]

Admin,

Sorry but you got it all wrong!! First it's not a complaint but just saying that what do you do in the case of a purchase of a mp3+g done on the web that you wish to burn on a disk using Microstudio???

I'm not making a request for my self, beleive me I'm ok I just wish to help others who by accident didn't happen to purchase from MTU first and now they discover your great software but are stuck with the wrong extension

Regards

[admin]

I felt the last posts started by bdalton belonged in its own visible thread.

Click here to visit that thread.

[gotrich]

I am kinda confused. Who is ASCPA and BIM. What is the point of paying them? Didnt you pay for the rights when you buy the CD? How do I contat these company's to be a member? Why pay them if they tell you you can't do what your doing? WHy don't they come after you? Doesn't the bar pay these people to have a Jukebox, band or DJ already? If we play 1 regualr song at full length ar we still KJ's or are we DJ's? Why on the CD does it say not legal unless played at full volume? What does that mean? Doesn't MTU have a lawyer in CA that has already went to court for us?

Sorry so many questions but these things are danced around in conversations.

[mindonstrike]

"Sorry so many questions but these things are danced around in conversations."

It's because most of us have seen these topics discussed/debated to death on forums for years so it's assumed that everyone is on the page.

"I am kinda confused. Who is ASCPA and BIM. What is the point of paying them? Didnt you pay for the rights when you buy the CD? "
ASCAP & BMI collect royalties for songwriters and performers. You do not pay them, the venue you play at pays them, it covers all the music played there whether DJ, KJ or live bands the jukebox has it's own separate license. When you purchased the cd(g) you payed for the right to listen to it not play the songs in public.


"Why on the CD does it say not legal unless played at full volume? What does that mean? " I think I saw that on the Helluvadisk brand and I could be wrong on this but I believe they were trying to be humorous.

"Doesn't MTU have a lawyer in CA that has already went to court for us? "
I think what you are referring to is an attorney who researched the subject of making backup copies of cdg's and gave his professional opinion on the subject.

Hope that clarified things a bit for you.
Sam

[George]

Gotrich,

Here's a place to start. Let your fingers do the walking.....search and ye shall find.

http://www.woodpecker.com/writing/es...-politics.html

George

[George]

Gotrich said:

Doesn't MTU have a lawyer in CA that has already went to court for us?

As an uninformed bystander I'd have to say no, no one has gone to court for us..

I'd hazard a guess that any legal counsel or actions that MTU has sought would be to determine the legality of the products they market, or to deter others from infringing on their copywrites..

They manufacture a product that if used for it's intent and purpose is legal. They cannot control how we, the end users will use those products.

If we question the legality of using an MTU product in any manner than outlined in their sales literature and product manuals, then we should seek our own legal counsel. That's our responsibility, not MTU's.

If we stick to using the products in a manner described by MTU, then there should be no question.

Admin has passed on any legal findings they have come up with on the forums to try to clear up some of these legal issues where their product use is concerned.

It all boils down to using the products for their published intent, and you should have no problems. At least that's the way I read it.

George

[danny_g]

Originally Posted by admin

Mike, read this thread where I address from an engineering AND user viewpoint why MTU does not support the .bin format for playing or importing individual files. As a matter of fact, we DO USE the .bin extension when we duplicate an entire disc image.

The thread above proves the .bin extension is NOT... I repeat... NOT a stable filename extension. If it ONLY was used for one type of format, we would support it in a heartbeat. However... it is not.

Why do other companies support it (in addition to GoldenHawk who first used it)? Because they don't provide free support. IMHO, it is impossible to support the .bin extension, which can have multiple NON-CDG format files all using the .bin extension.

Furthermore, you can rename your .bin files, created with non-MTU programs, to .cdg.... IF... you know they are CDG karaoke disc track files. Microstudio will use them correctly. It is your choice.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF MTU CUSTOMERS... only use our software. They don't use other software that create .bin files in various formats that confuses them. In fact, MANY of our customers first used CDRWIN and abandoned it because it was too complex to use and understand. Microstudio is easy, fast, clear,and above all... safe to use without confusion.

Now, please drop your complaint on this issue. It is your choice to rename your .bin files or not... or better still, only use Microstudio for your CDG file processing. Many of our other customers would be in deep trouble if they could get any .bin file, with no knowledge of what format it is in, and try to write or play it as a .cdg file.

I totaly support Mtu's stance with one addition to it. The ability to check before burning the quality of the import makes Microstudio by far the better program as well as it's ease of use which are the two reasons I went with microstuio in the first place. Yes I know I haven't kept up with updates of the software but my financial attention has been elsewhere. by January I should be back on track in that regards. I am still considering getting hoster but haven't gotten around to it.