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KenKelley July 23rd, 2012 10:44 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant (Post 113018)
Used my new laptop for the first time on my Sunday night gig( At a Casino with two 70 inch screens facing a slot machine area high up on a stage with an audience of 100 people, and more like another 1000 in the gambling area.

Virtual DJ was never even turned on and neither was McAfee Antivirus. Well, Hoster crashed about 2 1/2 hours into the show. Had to restart Hoster. When I did, the singers's screen and two 70 inch screens showed 1/2 size vertically (okay horizontally though) and had to take a few seconds to resize to full screen. This was the first time Hoster crashed when it was the only program on and running.

The only thing different that I did try was fade in and out was 2 sec., instead of 3 sec. And remove silence's added silence was 2 sec., before and after, instead of 3 sec. At least I know that this has nothing to do with Vdj, but maybe the settings. Oh, it crashed after a hdmp3g song. So I have had crashes with all file types now.

I'm gonna go back and use Hoster only running with these settings at 3 sec. Instead of 2. So far, this combination hasn't had a crash yet after maybe 3 or 4 hundred singers total.
Were you using a VGA (probably minature on your new laptop) or HDMI for you video out?

Just curious.

bryant July 23rd, 2012 01:25 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenKelley (Post 113021)
Were you using a VGA (probably minature on your new laptop) or HDMI for you video out?

Just curious.

Been using the hdmi output the last 20 or 30 gigs, to a hdmi/composite converter. Got any good news?

bryant July 23rd, 2012 01:28 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob schroyer (Post 113020)
I was having a problem with hoster crashing 2 or 3 times a show with nothing else running on the computer. All updates done. About a month ago I turned off BA. Have had NO crashes since. Maybe this info will help.

Thanks Bob, and I'm sure the information will help, but apparently there's been crashing with and without BA. I've never used it. I went a really long time w/o a crash when I took off VDJ, then one came randomly crawling back. Really confusing. In a way, I'm just happy that i am not the only one that is getting these, and so random at that. I'm sure MTU is workinng on it knowing that it is a problem that does exist.

Also, let me ask "How many shows have you done with BA disabled and no crashes. Approximately how many singers' songs would that be?

bryant July 23rd, 2012 01:35 PM
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Joe Nieves July 23rd, 2012 02:39 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kod (Post 113014)
Walt,

Basic same here, but until New Year's Eve this year, I had never played even the first dance song.

However, the owner doesn't see it that way and so I had to reluctantly start playing dance songs. My dedicated Singers don't like it either, but understand my predicament and have accepted it...

It has been and still is my belief that Karaoke night is Karaoke night, not dance night. At private parties, I do whatever the person paying me wants!

In the last hour of my show, I stop playing dance songs because after the Karaoke show, while I'm breaking down, I play dance songs until I have to shut the computer down (~1 hour)... I shut it down last!
Hey Kod, Walt, I've done those too....Wow it's not an easy job, especially when they get inebriated...."Hey I was before her/him and so on"...

I'm not knoking anyone who does it different, or has no choice in their particular venue,, just sharing my experience...

kod July 23rd, 2012 03:35 PM
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Quote:
Hey Kod, Walt, I've done those too....Wow it's not an easy job, especially when they get inebriated...."Hey I was before her/him and so on"...

I'm not knoking anyone who does it different, or has no choice in their particular venue,, just sharing my experience...
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Joe,

To avoid the problem of who goes when, I use Win7 "Sticky Notes" to keep my rotation fair and equal.

I operate on a first come, first served basis and as they hand me a song slip, I add them to the "Sticky Note" so that there is no question of rotation order. I refer to it for every rotation setup...

If you don't hand me a slip for the next round, you are skipped, but not removed from the list. If you give me one for the following round, you go back in the original rotation order. You are only removed from the list if I know for sure you've left.

Anyone is free to look at this list at any time!

KenKelley July 23rd, 2012 08:19 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant (Post 113024)
Been using the hdmi output the last 20 or 30 gigs, to a hdmi/composite converter. Got any good news?
Bryant,

Can't say good news, just a possibility as to what may be causing the crashes.

I use my minature VGA out to a standard VGA splitter connected to all my monitors. Also I run BA, RS, Insta Buttons, Tempo, and occasional Key Change in Hoster. External to Hoster, Internet Explorer, Anti Virus (Symantec) and Outlook not to mention staying connected to the internet 100% of the time. I do not have VDJ or utilize HDMI. I also have not experienced any crashes in months.

When I look at Device Manager for Audio Devices I notice 2 different drivers. 4 for Nvidia High Def Audio and 1 for Realtek Audio.

Just a thought.... In your case you could very well have the same setup as far as audio drivers as I have. There could be a conflict that occurrs sometime during your show that your applications cannot decide which driver to use when you utilize the HDMI output. Meaning the HDMI output likes to use the Nvidia High Def Audio and all of a sudden one of your applications decides to use Realtek audio.

If you have the capability to connect to your monitors utilizing VGA only and run a show you may narrow down the problem. Or possiably go into your Nvidia control panel and disable the High Def Audio while using HDMI.

Just a thought.

bryant July 23rd, 2012 09:12 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenKelley (Post 113032)
Bryant,

Can't say good news, just a possibility as to what may be causing the crashes.

I use my minature VGA out to a standard VGA splitter connected to all my monitors. Also I run BA, RS, Insta Buttons, Tempo, and occasional Key Change in Hoster. External to Hoster, Internet Explorer, Anti Virus (Symantec) and Outlook not to mention staying connected to the internet 100% of the time. I do not have VDJ or utilize HDMI. I also have not experienced any crashes in months.

When I look at Device Manager for Audio Devices I notice 2 different drivers. 4 for Nvidia High Def Audio and 1 for Realtek Audio.

Just a thought.... In your case you could very well have the same setup as far as audio drivers as I have. There could be a conflict that occurrs sometime during your show that your applications cannot decide which driver to use when you utilize the HDMI output. Meaning the HDMI output likes to use the Nvidia High Def Audio and all of a sudden one of your applications decides to use Realtek audio.

If you have the capability to connect to your monitors utilizing VGA only and run a show you may narrow down the problem. Or possiably go into your Nvidia control panel and disable the High Def Audio while using HDMI.

Just a thought.
Think I'll check that out and try that . Thanx, although I do remember the first night I used the laptop I DID use the mini-vga out and got the first crash within ten minutes and another crash later in the show.

Roy Dennis July 25th, 2012 07:34 AM
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Seems a new problem has been found, when stopping a song playing in the main play list, as the status changes from Play to Ready there is an audible beep. It only happens when a fade out setting is applied, if set to 0.00 it does not happen, also it does not seem to affect stopping a video playing.
This problem was noticed by Electrome in this thread http://forum.mtu.com/showthread.php?p=113041#post113041

Can other verify this, I have myself but I recently had to reset my computer back to original condition and may have missed something in my fresh setup.

bob schroyer July 25th, 2012 10:51 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Dennis (Post 113042)
Seems a new problem has been found, when stopping a song playing in the main play list, as the status changes from Play to Ready there is an audible beep. It only happens when a fade out setting is applied, if set to 0.00 it does not happen, also it does not seem to affect stopping a video playing.
This problem was noticed by Electrome in this thread http://forum.mtu.com/showthread.php?p=113041#post113041

Can other verify this, I have myself but I recently had to reset my computer back to original condition and may have missed something in my fresh setup.
I was just able to verify this. With fade out set at 1.5 I got the click when I stopped the song. When set to 0 NO CLICK.

bryant July 25th, 2012 05:11 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Last night I went back to my fade settings of fade in and out at 3 sec. and remove silence added silence at 3 sec. before and after and nothing running except Hoster. I ran a four hour show with 58 songs of which 2 were mp3 audio a 4 were mp4 video.
NO CRASHES...

Tonight I'll use the same setup, and will look for the audible beep at stop song early.

bryant July 25th, 2012 05:18 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Dennis (Post 113042)
Seems a new problem has been found, when stopping a song playing in the main play list, as the status changes from Play to Ready there is an audible beep. It only happens when a fade out setting is applied, if set to 0.00 it does not happen, also it does not seem to affect stopping a video playing.
This problem was noticed by Electrome in this thread http://forum.mtu.com/showthread.php?p=113041#post113041

Can other verify this, I have myself but I recently had to reset my computer back to original condition and may have missed something in my fresh setup.
Roy, do you think this might have some connection with the end of song crash I and a few others have been seeing? Just reaching for good news?:)

Roy Dennis July 25th, 2012 06:53 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant (Post 113050)
Roy, do you think this might have some connection with the end of song crash I and a few others have been seeing? Just reaching for good news?:)
I don't know, can you hear this bleep if you stop a song in the playlist ?

bryant July 26th, 2012 01:51 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Dennis (Post 113052)
I don't know, can you hear this bleep if you stop a song in the playlist ?
I tried tonight with two audio mp3's and with one and a half minutes left and a number of regular karaoke songs and couldn't hear anything. I always hit shift-stop though when I stop songs early. I believe all my computer sounds are turned off too, if that matters.

However, I played three video mpg's on auto play and when the first one stopped the second one didn't continue on auto. Also, the second one didn't show the video on the extended screen either but the vocals were fine. It also stopped by itself 15 seconds into the song(didn't think I hit anything by mistake, but who knows) I do remember I had the search song dialog open when the first song stopped at the end and didn't continue to the next on autoplay.

bryant July 26th, 2012 02:09 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant (Post 113049)
Last night I went back to my fade settings of fade in and out at 3 sec. and remove silence added silence at 3 sec. before and after and nothing running except Hoster. I ran a four hour show with 58 songs of which 2 were mp3 audio a 4 were mp4 video.
NO CRASHES...

Tonight I'll use the same setup, and will look for the audible beep at stop song early.
No crashes tonight, either, using the above scenario, started with three video mpg's and a couple of audio mp3's and 51 karaoke songs over a four hour period.

Actually, I don't recall ever getting my crashes at the above combination of settings, hmm?

Roy Dennis July 26th, 2012 08:14 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Solved the problem of the bleep I reported in post # 149
The problem was resolved by going to control panel/sounds/Speaker properties/Enhancements & ticking the box disable all sound effects.

As I had restored my computer recently this item got missed :f

bryant July 26th, 2012 11:37 AM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Dennis (Post 113059)
Solved the problem of the bleep I reported in post # 149
The problem was resolved by going to control panel/sounds/Speaker properties/Enhancements & ticking the box disable all sound effects.

As I had restored my computer recently this item got missed :f
That's why I could never hear it.

Roy Dennis July 26th, 2012 01:48 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bryant (Post 113061)
That's why I could never hear it.
Just wondering as you mentioned yourself at sometime, if it has any bearing on your crashing problem, although you don't hear it with the sound effects disabled it must still be triggering some action.

bryant July 26th, 2012 03:02 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Dennis (Post 113064)
Just wondering as you mentioned yourself at sometime, if it has any bearing on your crashing problem, although you don't hear it with the sound effects disabled it must still be triggering some action.
It all seems to come together that at the very end of a song, that something is going on as a song stops, and in some cases, for some ppl, for whatever random reason, a crash occurs. I'm hoping all this info and discussion provide clues for MTU.

bryant July 27th, 2012 12:25 PM
Re: Post Hoster 5.07 Problems Here
 
Originally Posted by bryant
Last night I went back to my fade settings of fade in and out at 3 sec. and remove silence added silence at 3 sec. before and after and nothing running except Hoster. I ran a four hour show with 58 songs of which 2 were mp3 audio a 4 were mp4 video.
NO CRASHES...

Tonight I'll use the same setup, and will look for the audible beep at stop song early."

7-26-12: NO CRASHES at all tonight during a five hour show
With 79 songs beginning with two audio mp3's at the beginning of th show.
I also have the default audio setting of 10 changed to 20 as of the last show.
This is the third consecutive night at about 180 total singers.


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