Smoking Venue And Hoster

[bryant]

Originally Posted by muzicman144

I kinda took the message as maybe people would quit smoking to avoid harming their OWN computer, such as voiding the warrenty on their personal computers at home. At least, that is how i read the post. I believe this is the point intended of the post.
muzicman144

Oh I see, but it is also known that ppl will only quit "anything" for their own reasons, not someone else's, and I think Apple knows that as well. Let's face it, if they won't quit for their own health, you really think they're gonna quit for their computer's health.?

[Mitd9922]

Salt air is more of a problem with my equipment. i do shows mostly on or near enough to the beach in Fort Lauderdale and I notice more connector problems with my mixing boards than my cpu. Anyone know a good way to clean these inputs?

[ddouglass]

You might try a thin coat of white lithium grease ( electronics kind) to keep the salt from attacking the metal in the connectors.

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by bryant

Maybe not, but I can't say for sure as I wasn't taking part in the quality control tests at the factory either.

Most likely, Apple had many computers in a controlled environment compared to many computers in a "smoking" environment, and a certain percentage of those even in the controlled environment still failed or problems arose before their standard warrantee guideline time. A slightly higher percentage than expected either had problems or failed in the smoking environment. Also, before the test began, a set of criteria was most likely established ( a cut-off percentage of failures) to determine if there was a significant difference in the two environments. If a statistical difference was shown to be 95% likely (this involves complex engineering statistics), then their original hypothesis is considered valid, and they felt that action be taken based on that.

I know, I sound like a know it all, but I did this kind of work in a manufacturing company a few years back.

You kidding right?
This is not a technical issue, it is a PEOPLE issue. This case is more akin to being politically correct, or guarding against sexual harassment.
Someone somewhere decided, on their own, that this was a way to get out of work. The company looks at the situation and decides they can run with it and save some money by screwing people out of their warranties.
Besides that, who is going to stand up for a bunch of nasty smokers anyways. You can get away with just about anything when it comes to smoker's persecution. Look at all the idiotic taxes they have manufactured. Just add this to the list. You know the only tobacco product that doesn't have an exorbitant tax? Cigars. Who smokes cigars? Lawmakers and big businessmen.

Now tell me again that this is a machine problem, or show me the data from the study.

[marklwood]

Wow, that was a little harsh. Sorry Bryant.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by marklwood

Wow, that was a little harsh. Sorry Bryant.

Ouch.

I see your point though, and may very much be the case, who knows?

[Musicman51]

My intentions of this post had absolutly nothing to do with the smoking VS: non smoking controversy. Ya'all can smoke till your hearts content, as i stated i use to burn up over 3 packs aday. My intentions were simply to bring to your attention the new rules Apple is going to adhere to. I do think others will also follow along with them. I think we will see a new trend here. I sorta agree with what someone said about doing that study, and the failure rate. It really doesn't matter what may or may not be worse for our computers. Dust for example doesn't cause a toxic situation for repair tech's, neither does salt water air. And no one forced me to give up the winstons, i did it cold turkey on my own, same with the miller lite, and jack chasers. That made alot of sense also about replacing the warm air in my laptop with cooler air outside of it...i never really thought about that.

[billyo]

Originally Posted by Mitd9922

Salt air is more of a problem with my equipment. i do shows mostly on or near enough to the beach in Fort Lauderdale and I notice more connector problems with my mixing boards than my cpu. Anyone know a good way to clean these inputs?

you probably can use CRC, it comes on a spray can, this will prevent moisture going into any electrical stuff, just like what Dale was saying

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by Musicman51

My intentions of this post had absolutly nothing to do with the smoking VS: non smoking controversy.

Yeah, sorry about that. I just had to write a check to the state for every pack of cigs I had in inventory because they made the tax hike retroactive.. I may have been a little bit overheated at the time about this particular subject.

But back to the subject at hand. I still think Apple is taking advantage of the hysteria over second-hand smoke. I have literally handled thousands of computers over the years. I have yet to see anything that even hinted at smoke being a problem, even on fickle laptops. I HAVE however amassed a LOT of anecdotal data about pet hair. This one will take out the cooling pipe in a laptop in no time. It still isn't directly responsible for a failure. It just clogs up the system and causes overheating. As far as hazards inside the computer, I would be much more concerned about the lead and mercury and lord knows what else that is used in Malaysia, Taiwan, or China where the electronics are manufactured.

Shame on you Apple.

[ddouglass]

Not to mention that LCD screens are considered hazardous waste and should be disposed of correctly and not just put into a landfill.

[marklwood]

OK, I take it all back.

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[ddouglass]

Thats pretty extreme.....lol!!

[Musicman51]

Could it be our michigan senators enjoys karaoke, use Hoster, and read this forum? My dreams have been answered. You guys aren't going to believe this, but our legislature just passed a workplace smoking ban???huh??? gotta be this forum to thank for this..how else could you explain it??? read this, and watch the video. Now it doesn't cover casinos so you detroit cats don't git yur hopes up. I think this is wonderful. Just passed goes into effect May 2010.......
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michi...es-smoking-ban

[RandyMcCharles]

Public smoking was banned in Alberta 2 years ago, which is when I started singing karaoke. I am severely alergic to tobacco smoke and avoided bars my entire life. Now I go to bars at least twice a week. The short term effect of the ban was a loud outcry by businesses claiming it would hurt their business. The long term effect is that it has had no effect on business. Smokers go outside to smoke, even in horrible weather, and they do not complain. It's always a hi and a smile as I pass them on the way inside. People like me who avoided bars, now do not, which offsets any reduction of business by smokers not going as often or staying as long (if this happens; I don't know). The only downside to business during the switchover was caused by the gvt itself making short-term concessions to the most vocal businesses. As to casinos, there is a native run casino near my house. I went there once to check it out, but have never returned because of the smoke. I frequent others in town where smoking is banned. They are all doing good business.

[Musicman51]

I fully agree Randy....cough cough hack hack from the dude smoking that big el towrope black owl corona seagarr.... sittin next ta me.....

[billyo]

i played in bars where smoking is allowed, i'm sorry to say that i do smoke, but anyway, some bars here has a very high powered vents, and as long as they dont smoke infront of you , you wont smell like an ashtray when you go home.. but anyway here in so. fla, smoking inside is allowed providing you are only selling a small percent of food, and also bars here have patios where people can smoke,

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by billyo

i played in bars where smoking is allowed, i'm sorry to say that i do smoke, but anyway, some bars here has a very high powered vents, and as long as they dont smoke infront of you , you wont smell like an ashtray when you go home..

I ain't never been in a bar or club where smoking is allowed that you can't smell it when you get home. I used to smoke, but couldn't smell it then. They could put a jet engine in now to clear the smoke, i'd still smell it, even if i only thought i could. and i live in so Florida.
muzicman144

[billyo]

do you live in so.fla ? or used to. and what part of so.fla

[muzicman144]

I live on the big lake, Big O.
Whenever smoking and smoker's rights are discussed. It's always about my "rights". I will agree 100% that anyone who chooses to smoke and can afford it, should be able to do so. But when you excercise your "right" in my presence, you take away any right i may have not to smell the smoke.
I fought for your rights, and, was a smoker until 96'. I am not one who condemns a smoker. They should just remember that when they excercise those rights, there may be someone beside you who fought to give you that right and you are not respecting that persons rights.
Off the soapbox, i play smoking and non'smoking venues and find the best crowds, most behaved crowds in the non smoking venues.
muzicman144

[billyo]

i do respects peoples right who don't smoke, and i dont smoke infront of people who dont smoke, i dont even smoke infront of my wife/daughter,and i dont even smoke in my vehicle,i started smoking in my 40's, and i regret it very much ( getting divorce at that time ) i kinda dis-agree with you bout the most behave people are non smokers, i play in a non smoker right now and i have a few that are the the most abnoxious people i've ever seen, they're non smokers and most of the time they will order a drink and sat there all night,waiting for their turn but my smoker people will order drinks as long as they still have packs of smokes in them..and they do go outside and smoke..but anyway pls. don't take it the wrong way, this is just my opinion and for the sake of conversation..