Regretted Purchasing Vogone

[peteralias]

I purchased Vogone 2.210 recently and regretted. Most of the wave stereo centre pan songs vocal cannot be removed or reduce as claimed. I am fully aware that this software is not a miracle solution.

However the basic of at least reducing the vocal from songs cannot be achived. I am very dissappointed. Verdict this software "is a failure" as far I am concern!!!

[Wallymeister]

peteralias,
Let me say that firstly if you are looking for perfect vocal removal, this cannot be achieved by any software. Multitrack recordings that are mixed down to left or right channels or center panned or any combination therein will not be a real good quality sound after vocal removal. Some are pretty good but the key is if the vocals were recorded dead center pan. If they were you can get a pretty good end result but again, not without some loss of music quality.

I have tried removing vocals on about 25 or 30 songs and only ended up with about 7 that are good enough quality that I am actually using. It's the nature of the beast.

Hope this explains a little,
Wally

[George]

Originally Posted by Wallymeister

Some are pretty good but the key is if the vocals were recorded dead center pan.

Exactly, Wally, and as MTU points out in their literature this wipes out any digitally remastered stereo recordings, which a great share of the of the "oldies" are.

One must also consider that the recording engineers aren't stupid. They know that in order for any current vocal removal program to be successful, the vocal must be recorded dead center panned from a single mike source. Obviously this can only be effectively done in a studio with the singer isolated in a booth, which would eliminate any live concert recordings.

With this in mind, how many stereo recordings would one logically think are being produced these days with the lead singer dead center panned? I'd bet NONE, NIL, NADA, ZERO.

If they're not intentionally staying away from center panned stereo, and shifting the track off center and or adding echoes and reverb to the same track, to defeat vocal rmoval, then they aren't near as bright as I give them credit for.

Just some more thoughts on the subject.

George

[orerockon]

George, there is a way to remove non-dead-center panned vocals, and, theoretically, a way to remove articicially added reverb. I suggest you investigate these methods for your next upgrade. I found plenty of suggestions using, surprise! GOOGLE. Until then, I too consider vogone to be practically useless software, unfortunately...

[George]

OREROCKEN,

Are you talking about using an audio editing program to reverse the left channel phase, merge both tracks into one monaural track, split them back to dual channel, and then reverse the left channel phase again?

I've personally not bothered to mess with it, as it's my understanding it isn't 100% either. I may get curious enough one day to fool with it.

I find that rather out of the realm of what our average user would want to do, or easily integrated into Vogone, but the I'm not on the MTU product development team, so that would be their call. I have flagged your suggestion to the team..

I'd imagine it would be hard to come up with a viable method that they have not explored, but that once again is speculation on my part, my technical knowledge being somewhat limited.

Take care,
George

[orerockon]

George, your sticky post, by kjzone, correctly explains that reverb cancelling is not only possible, it is a standard feature of modern speakerphone systems. I have also found that algorithms exist to dermine exactly where the vocals are panned to. Once again, google works, try it!