Host without Hoster?

[bryant]

Are they picking on you again, Lonnie?

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

Just out of curiosity what make the computer show so much above par than a disc based show? I've never understood that personally. I like the computer for ease, but I can actually do just as good of a show with my discs. I use the computer as a player, nothing more.

This forum is to help folks who use MTU products. The above statement was made, along with others which can lead folks to believe that:

1. they must have there disc as a back-up to Hoster. (Which implies that you don't trust Hoster and it's not reliable. )

2. running a karaoke show with Hoster isn't any better than running disc. (I'm sorry but after four years of using Hoster up to six nights a week, I just don't see this one. )

I have found that both of these point are not true. Hoster is an awsome program and is in the process of revolutionizing Karaoke Hosting as we know it.

I asked about the size of your rig to make the point evident to the community that when a Karaoke Host is hauling around as much gear as you do. it's no problem to throw your discs in the van, not that there is anything wrong with it. What is easy for you, (since I work alone without a trailer, anything over 50lbs. is not easy to move) is not feasable for me. Folks who choose to run lightweight rigs and choose not to bring their discs to every show shouldn't be made to feel like they are doing something wrong.

Lonnie, "Just because something works doesn't mean it's the best way to do it or that everybody has to do it that way." Please use these boards to promote the use of MTU products and uderstand that "there is more than one way to skin a cat." I don't believe this is happening with mallace intent but a little respect for MTU should be employed when posting on their board, in my opinion

I'm not picking on you brother, I just want the folks to buy Hoster with the uderstanding that it is a very reliable program and that no disc means NO DISCS! Thanks for the helping me make these points clear.


Jim

[Lonman]

[quote=muzicman144;70446][quote=Lonman;70443]

Originally Posted by muzicman144

Why would I get rid of something that sounds good to something that sounds mediocre? I have heard & even used the lightweight stuff (speakers) & IMO it doesn't compare to good wooden built boxes - never will. I'm sorry the lightweight plastic box speakers do not sound as good and no I will never have them in my arsenal - even when i'm old & decrepit!

Technology is an evil thing to those who refuse to come into the new world.
You refuse to say Hoster is a big jump from disc, but you use it.

Ok I will admit Hoster is a HUGE step above kj's that did not know how to run a disc based show. This I will give you! I could run a very smooth flowing show with discs & Hoster is actually not as fast as I could run a disc based show. I use Hoster & am willing to sacrifice that one limitation to gain the convenience - nothing more. It's a great program, I highly recommend it to others, my Dad even bought the entire suite for his own personal use (home only). I believe Hoster will address the issue eventually & then it will be completely on par with what I used to be able to do with discs, but at this time it isn't.

It doesn't mean a thing to me that you prefer the old stuff. I can also apreciate that and know that it works as i used it for years, all the things you listed, i have used for years. I for one will tell you that an "open ear" hears much better.

See you keep saying 'open ears', I don't know why you keep saying I don't, I have listened, tried, used the plastic speakers, out of all I have used the Mackie SRM450 is my favorite, but sound is completely subjective to each person. I have listened with 'open ears' & know what I like to hear.

Now having said all that, I must tell you that for you to refer that anything you have heard new and light is mediocre is a little insulting to one who prefers it over the old way.. I will put my sound against yours or anyboby else's and not worry one little iota. I guess thing are just a little above the rest of us in Tacoma.

Well sorry you feel that way! People around here are using the PEavey PR powered series quite a bit and these absolutely sound like crap! But then again, it's may be because many of the companies around here also don't know how to run sound.

Good Luck with your sound and show (and i hope your back holds out)
muzicman

You too and my back is fine, if it wasn't i'd still get someone to help.

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

This forum is to help folks who use MTU products. The above statement was made, along with others which can lead folks to believe that:

1. they must have there disc as a back-up to Hoster. (Which implies that you don't trust Hoster and it's not reliable. )

No I use my discs for back up because I don't trust computers - Hoster is great! PLUS the fact that you are technically only allowed to make one to one ratio of your discs according to MTU legal research. So if I have Hoster & the music on a separate computer for backup, this would be breaking the law since this would now be considered a 2:1 (or more according to others I have talked to on other forums) backup ratio. Even though the backups may not technically be in use they still exist.

2. running a karaoke show with Hoster isn't any better than running disc. (I'm sorry but after four years of using Hoster up to six nights a week, I just don't see this one. )

Again, I can agree to a point for those who did not run disc based shows properly, meaning having one player. Look up the disc, cue disc, get singer going. Singer ends, dead air, look up next disc, etc....These types of disc based shows I can see where Hoster would be a night & day difference.
I ran multiple players, always had the next song cued up & in some cases cued up to the starting point of the music eliminating all the silence in the beginning of most songs, on a song with a long outro I could get the next singer up & fade out the outro while starting the next song immediately. Right now Hoster does not have this capability, I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will. I ran discs for 14 years 7 nights a week, been on computer for less than a year now. And other than that limitiation, Hoster is a great program!

I have found that both of these point are not true. Hoster is an awsome program and is in the process of revolutionizing Karaoke Hosting as we know it.

I agree, and with every new update making it a little better each time, I may one day 100% agree that it is the best program out there, right now I consider it 99.999% the best which is why I use it.

I asked about the size of your rig to make the point evident to the community that when a Karaoke Host is hauling around as much gear as you do. it's no problem to throw your discs in the van, not that there is anything wrong with it. What is easy for you, (since I work alone without a trailer, anything over 50lbs. is not easy to move) is not feasable for me. Folks who choose to run lightweight rigs and choose not to bring their discs to every show shouldn't be made to feel like they are doing something wrong.

I don't have a trailer either, everything gets loaded in a small minivan. Onto either a cart or a dolly. Nothing really has to be lifted (speakers sure, but have a friend or someone from the bar that can help lift onto the stands if need be). I have never once said or indicated that the people that don't bring discs to their show are doing something wrong, I have stated that is MY personal preference & will continue to do so.

Lonnie, "Just because something works doesn't mean it's the best way to do it or that everybody has to do it that way." Please use these boards to promote the use of MTU products and uderstand that "there is more than one way to skin a cat." I don't believe this is happening with mallace intent but a little respect for MTU should be employed when posting on their board, in my opinion

I have nothing BUT respect for MTU & their products! Should I have to be forced to agree with everything on their boards? Should I be forced to agree that they are the best thing since sliced bread (they are close though)? I am not knocking MTU in any way shape or form, I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

I'm not picking on you brother, I just want the folks to buy Hoster with the uderstanding that it is a very reliable program and that no disc means NO DISCS! Thanks for the helping me make these points clear.


Jim

Yep & every forum I belong to I state which programs I use proudly (MTU mostly) & encourage others & even have defended them at times when someone spouts off without having their facts straight.
But no discs for backup is a personal choice! I know & have talked with others on other forums that also bring their discs for backup, so i'm not the only one!

[muzicman144]

My final outlook on this subject. One, thank god for the innovators like MTU who create such progressive creations that really work. The people who sell outdated sound equipment like you use, thank you for remaining a customer.
As for the speed of disc users Vs Hoster, this is an old topic, and my memory seems to remind me you lost that one too. Perhaps the air is getting to thin in the state of Washington.
muzicman

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by muzicman144

My final outlook on this subject. One, thank god for the innovators like MTU who create such progressive creations that really work. The people who sell outdated sound equipment like you use, thank you for remaining a customer.
As for the speed of disc users Vs Hoster, this is an old topic, and my memory seems to remind me you lost that one too. Perhaps the air is getting to thin in the state of Washington.
muzicman

Well if you ever saw my show I believe you see things differently, but right now you can specualte all you want because that is all it is!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

I'll argue to the end of the Earth when someone says something can't be done when in fact it can! Opinion is just that but when it is stated as fact such as the comment As for the speed of disc users Vs Hoster, this is an old topic, and my memory seems to remind me you lost that one too., that is where it is no longer opinion, he is stating that discs cannot be run as fast or smoothly as a computer.
Again, this is discs vs comp. All you disc haters must have a reason (other than 'weight' which seems to be the biggest complaint) that you tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly - it can - that is and always HAS been what I am getting at. Would I go back to running discs exclusively, if the need be yes I would the minute I would have to, but otherwise I am running the computer with discs as a back up - my choice!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Lonnie,
I may have stepped into this conversation at the wrong time.

Your statement:

"that you (YOU being me) tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly"

shows me that you assuming since I agree with musicman on one point that I agree with everythiong he posts.

My statements have nothing to do with a disc show being run "as efficiently" as a computer show. Discless Karaoke is better than Disc Karaoke when you use Hoster, for more reasons that how efficent the Karaoke Host is and I don't have to argue with anybody about it. The proof is in the program. Hoster can help make a "so so" Karaoke host become almost as good a a seasoned host like yourself.

You and musicman seem to be having a pissing match and it's getting all over the rest of us. It's obvious to me because my point was drowned. Maybe this issue deserves it's own poll.

I'm out of this conversation, I hope somebody, somewhere gains some knowledge from these posts.

Adios!

Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Lonnie,
I may have stepped into this conversation at the wrong time.

Your statement:

"that you (YOU being me) tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly"

shows me that you assuming since I agree with musicman on one point that I agree with everythiong he posts.

I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!

My statements have nothing to do with a disc show being run "as efficiently" as a computer show. Discless Karaoke is better than Disc Karaoke when you use Hoster, for more reasons that how efficent the Karaoke Host is and I don't have to argue with anybody about it. The proof is in the program. Hoster can help make a "so so" Karaoke host become almost as good a a seasoned host like yourself.

And that was also what I was getting at, Hoster can make a crappier kj more efficient as far as speeding up their show because they did not have a clue on how to run discs properly.

You and musicman seem to be having a pissing match and it's getting all over the rest of us. It's obvious to me because my point was drowned. Maybe this issue deserves it's own poll.

Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

I'm out of this conversation, I hope somebody, somewhere gains some knowledge from these posts.

Adios!

Jim

[mindonstrike]

For what it's worth I'll weigh in here.

I've visited Lonnies show once and although he was gone that night I found the show well run and the sound was awsome.
Lonnie has been a staple on many of the karaoke forums for many years and because of his many years running sound for bands and karaoke and because he keeps abreast of new equipment offering new ways to do old things, his advice is much sought after on many of the forums, much of which I've incorporated into my show over the years.

I used disks for 4 years before switching to Hoster and I can confirm that using disks CAN be faster although you do sacrifice convenience for it.

Ironicly I spend a lot more non-show time on show related activities now than I did before the computer. When I used disks I simply bought disks, typed the song title/artists into the songbook software, added the disks to the binders and I was done. Now I have to import them, watch a minute or two of each track to assure a good import. I end up spending time each week re-importing stuff that had issues as well as fixing misspellings in the database. Because I want to make better use of my rootid's I've taken to importing using Microstudio and then renaming each track to reflect the track number I want to give it and then import into Hoster. I've also started trimming long outros out of songs so my timer better reflects how much time I can be away from the computer, and then reimport those into Hoster. And then there's defraging, Microsoft updates, driver updates, moving new and edited KMA's to the backup computers, etc etc.

Convenience during a show?: Yes
Flexability during a show?: Yes
Time saving?: Not necesarily.

IMHO
Sam

[George]

Originally Posted by stublack

I can't believe I got sucked into this hypothetical crap.

Maybe his assessmant wasn't so far off after all, considering the turn this thread took.

[George]

Originally Posted by George

Maybe his assessmant wasn't so far off after all, considering the turn this thread took.

correction:assessment.

[hwheeler43]

I have been to several disc run shows. They work fine. I think hoster is just easier for keeping up with the rotation and less work for the KJ. I wish I knew as much about sound as Lonman. My shows are pretty good, but hey we could all sound better eh.

[muzicman144]

[quote=Lonman;70471]I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!


I did not say you were wrong, but, said i do believe the computer is faster. Done it both ways and know HOW to do it. I don't care how you do it!!!



Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

Again, you give yourself to much credit. No need to follow anyone anywhere. Never intended on a pissing contest, I apologize to everyone else on this forum. just don't appreciate anyone telling me what i use is crap, while boasting about how great everything they do, is best, right, and the only way. I've got quite a few more years in the business than lonnie, worked with some big names. They think i know what i'm doing with sound and with what i use. I wouldn't knock what anyone uses, there may be reasons that i know nothing about and don't consider it respectable to tell one what they use is crap. I have heard great sound come out of the worst stuff with a good sound man behind them. Best advice i ever got was use what you know how to use or learn quickly on something new.

Again, my apology to anyone else i may have offended and for getting off the subject. I will try not to get my hackles up about these little comments and try to stick to the subject.

muzicman

[Lonman]

[quote=muzicman144;70693]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!


I did not say you were wrong, but, said i do believe the computer is faster. Done it both ways and know HOW to do it. I don't care how you do it!!!

That's your belief! I have done it both ways as well & yes discs CAN be faster if worked properly. They didn't work faster for you - ok! So be it!

Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

Again, you give yourself to much credit. No need to follow anyone anywhere. Never intended on a pissing contest, I apologize to everyone else on this forum. just don't appreciate anyone telling me what i use is crap, while boasting about how great everything they do, is best, right, and the only way.

Well I never once said that anything anyone uses is crap, i'd like to see that quote. I also have never boasted about everything I do as being right or the best or the only way. I am arguing a point about the speed of discs vs the speed of computer. Not sure where you are getting everything else from, but you sure do like to put words & twist words around alot.

I've got quite a few more years in the business than lonnie, worked with some big names. They think i know what i'm doing with sound and with what i use. I wouldn't knock what anyone uses, there may be reasons that i know nothing about and don't consider it respectable to tell one what they use is crap. I have heard great sound come out of the worst stuff with a good sound man behind them. Best advice i ever got was use what you know how to use or learn quickly on something new.

Again NOT ONCE did I say anything about anyone using anything. I said the point that you keep arguing that it isn't even feasable that disc show run properly vs a computer show could be faster. THAT is crap.

[michbabe]

I have been reading all the remarks in this forum mainly to help me decide if I wanted to use hoster.
We have been using discs for 8 years, and I feel we run a very good show.
We have a 5 disc player and there is very little waiting for someone to sing. We make sure everyone sounds good, even if their not a great singer, we want them to sound as good as they can...

My main thought on using hoster for one main reason is the hassel of discs. Having one go bad on you, not being able to get it replaced, which is turn mess's up your whole book...

I am still trying to read up and try to figure some things out. I have the demo hoster, and am ready at any point as soon as I am convinced it is best to buy it.

I don't under stand how you keep a rotation on the hoster, I see the names in rotation, what do you do go in and change each song every time around??

Convince me guys that this is the best way to go!!!!
Thanks!!!
Karaoke Fever

[muzicman144]

Buy The Hoster Program. This will be the best move you ever made. Everything about your show will be so much better. You rotation will always be right and straight. I don't care what anyone says about the speed of the show or what is better, the common belief here with everyone who is honest about it is, MTU provides the best program, has the best support of anything out there. Do Not Buy anything else.

muzicman144

[hwheeler43]

I found a couple of songs that had loaded with the graphics messed up. In hoster, all I had to do was delete those two songs from my hard drive and reimport them into hoster and they are perfect now. No wear and tear on your original cd-gs. Keeping up with the rotation is very simple. I am sure that everyone has there own way. Here is what I do. I keep a small white board next to me numbered 1-50. As singers come in I add their names next to a number. As I add songs I type the Number and first name in the singers block. Example 1 Steve

With Hoster I can drag and drop the songs to the correct location on the list and I can copy and paste the names as a singer adds another song. As long as I can still remember how to count I can easily keep my rotation straight.

[michbabe]

Thanks for any help you have given me. I have purchased the Hoster program, and have been working with it. I am not sure I will live long enough to get all these disc's loaded into this lap top...but I'll keep plugging away..
Thanks, and hopefully if I ever get things ready to roll, I'll be able to get some help from this forum..