Using Norton Ghost 9 To Clone My C:\ Drive

[bobcox- with the Lord]

That does both.

[Beavis]

no it doesnt.


here is a really good deal the the bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Ultra-ATA-13...3A1%7C294%3A50


it comes from kong but cant beat the price.

[bobcox- with the Lord]

HighPoint RocketRAID1520 PCI SATA / IDE Controller

[Beavis]

i ment hid drives are EIDE

[madjim- with the Lord]

Marklwood fournd a fix on the Adaptec support page that got by me last night. I was using the "Update Driver" button that was on the General page, they use the "Update Driver" button on the Driver page. I guess there is a difference, thanks Micosoft.

It has been alot of work but I feel it was well worth it. Thanks to everybody for helping me out with the Raid card install. It's a new beast to me because Raid is not reccomened for Pro Recording Programs.

Thanks Again and GOD bless all fo you!

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Beavis

here is a really good deal the the bay
it comes from kong but cant beat the price.

This makes no difference to me now but it looks like this card is not bootable.

Thanks again!

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Beavis

no it doesnt.

In the picture of the HighPoint RocketRAID1520 PCI SATA / IDE Controller Card there are some PATA to SATA adpaters.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...troller%20Card

Would that not work with my drives?

It is bootable.

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by bobcox

I use a small form factor Hp computer in my rack, with two hard drives.
a 80 gig for operating syst and programs, and a 750 gig for music, videos, and kma files,
and i always carry at least one laptop, for a backup.
i use to use the raid, with two 250 gig hard drives, but they became to small.
and at the time i did'nt want to spend the money for two 750 gig drives.
Jim, make sure your power supply will handle it. and with the raid, if a drive fails, your singer just keeps on singing, you won't even notice it.

Hey Bob,
I'm using two 250 seagate drives. This is plenty of room for my 10,600+ KMA files (I don't use videos) so I should be good. If I need more space I can jump to two 300mb drive for about $200 right now.

My drives are guaranteed for five years. they are now four years old. The raid setup gives me the confidence that if my C:\drive fails, I can get through the show without stopping and address the problem the next day. I just checked both of them with the Seagate Disc Wizard for Windows and they are running well but we never know when things might change.

The next thing I plan on doing is to clone my C:\ drive to a new 300mb drive and keep it as a backup outside of the machine. I've been cloning my C:\ srive to an external drive as an extra backup but now realize that it is not bootable. I will check into the article that George brought to my attention on this point. If this works I can put my 300mb drive in my studio computer.

Thanks Again for all of your help!

Jim

[admin]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Jim if you are using SATA drives (small cable instead of wide ribbon cable), then you have Raid capability already. You would need two drives identical in size to do this. What happens is when anything changes on one disk the other is automatically updated. This is called mirroring (I forget what raid level it is but can find out if you want to try it). If drive 0 fails drive 1 takes over and automatically becomes the working drive. You get a warning message that the drive has failed, but the computer keeps on working.

I'm jumping in the middle here, but our experience with RAIDs several years back when we shipped these for our "Pro" workstation was when one drive went bad, the RAID controller over-wrote the good drive with the bad data, making both drives have the same faulty data.

This was RAID 1 I believe. It would take 3 drive RAID to overcome this. A backup is the safest way... IMHO.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by admin

A backup is the safest way... IMHO.

I plan on doing both. The value I see in the Raid setup is a C:\ drive failure won't interupt my show especialy when I'm using Hoster to run my background tracks.

If you have the time, could you elaborate on what you mean by:

when one drive went back

Are there any other quirks with Raid you know of, that I need to keep an eye on? Bob seemed to have success with his Raid system.

Thanks

Jim

[admin]

Originally Posted by admin

I'm jumping in the middle here, but our experience with RAIDs several years back when we shipped these for our "Pro" workstation was when one drive went bad, the RAID controller over-wrote the good drive with the bad data, making both drives have the same faulty data.

This was RAID 1 I believe. It would take 3 drive RAID to overcome this. A backup is the safest way... IMHO.

Originally Posted by madjim

I plan on doing both. The value I see in the Raid setup is a C:\ drive failure won't interupt my show especialy when I'm using Hoster to run my background tracks.

If you have the time, could you elaborate on what you mean by:

Sorry, I edited it after your post.

I meant to say BAD, not BACK.

[bobcox- with the Lord]

Jim, for about $200 you could get two 500 gig sata drives.
Check this out. 750 gigs.
I to beleive backup is the safest.
and easyist, just carry a laptop. Bob




http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152100

or IDE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136111

[madjim- with the Lord]

I forgot to post a link to the fix mark found, here it is:

http://ask.adaptec.com/scripts/adapt...87&p_topview=1

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by bobcox

Jim, for about $200 you could get two 500 gig sata drives.
Check this out. 750 gigs.
I to beleive backup is the safest.
and easyist, just carry a laptop. Bob




http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152100

Yea, I can't believe how cheap things got since companies started maufacturing their stuff in China. Like I told Admin, I will make a backup as well as using the raid setup.

Did you ever have anything strange happen with your raid setup?

Thanks

Jim

[Beavis]

Originally Posted by admin

I'm jumping in the middle here, but our experience with RAIDs several years back when we shipped these for our "Pro" workstation was when one drive went bad, the RAID controller over-wrote the good drive with the bad data, making both drives have the same faulty data.

This was RAID 1 I believe. It would take 3 drive RAID to overcome this. A backup is the safest way... IMHO.

hey admin i think jim is mainly thinking about the drive failing, not corrupting.


ya know jim i have a 1TB external hard drive that i keep a back up image of all my computers on (like 10 computers). after a fresh install of windows and doing all updates plus installing all programs, this way i can always put that fresh copy of windows on any hard drive when it starts to act funny.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by admin

I'm jumping in the middle here, but our experience with RAIDs several years back when we shipped these for our "Pro" workstation was when one drive went bad, the RAID controller over-wrote the good drive with the bad data, making both drives have the same faulty data.

This was RAID 1 I believe. It would take 3 drive RAID to overcome this. A backup is the safest way... IMHO.

What you are referring too was using a raid to extend the size of the C:\ drive. What Jim is looking to do is Raid 5 (I think) which is to mirror the drives so the second will take over if the first quits.

[bobcox- with the Lord]

Hi' Jim
No i never had a problem with the raid setup.

[ddouglass]

Did a bit more research on this and Admin is partially right. It is Raid 1 but that is the Mirroring raid. I believe what they were using before was Raid 0 which stripes the data across 2 or more drives but with no parity, thus when one drive fails all data is lost. Raid 5 replaced this which gives you striped data with parity, so losing one drive does not lose the data. Replace the bad drive and the data is recovered. This is best with 3 or more drives and mostly used for servers.
Raid 1 (Mirroring) gives you two identical drives where one can take over in the event of a failure of the primary. The best set-up for this would also be to have each drive as the master on separate ribbon cables.
There is also a Raid 1 with Duplexing in which you use two drives and two separate controller cards. That gives you total redundancy so that losing a control or losing a drive will not effect operation. More expensive due to the two controllers but more reliable too.
You have got me thinking Jim and I may be joining you in this soon. Certainly couldn't hurt.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by bobcox

Hi' Jim
No i never had a problem with the raid setup.

Thanks Bob, all worked well for me last night but I did notice that some of the small issues I was having with Hoster before I upgrded to 1gb of RAM reappeared. Having two sound cards (getting ready for the ability to use a second sound card to listen to song while Hoster is playing through the main sound card ), a video card and a Raid controler card is obviously using more RAM. No big deal to me, my new RAM will be here in two days. If no major problems crop up, I feel certain that the Raid setup will be well worth the cost of the additional RAM which is cheap these days.

Jim

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

Did a bit more research on this and Admin is partially right. It is Raid 1 but that is the Mirroring raid. I believe what they were using before was Raid 0 which stripes the data across 2 or more drives but with no parity, thus when one drive fails all data is lost. Raid 5 replaced this which gives you striped data with parity, so losing one drive does not lose the data. Replace the bad drive and the data is recovered. This is best with 3 or more drives and mostly used for servers.

You and Admin have both mentioned using 3 drives. Is this is a better setup than using two? I saw no mention of an exter benifit from using three drives instead of two in any of the articles I read.

Raid 1 (Mirroring) gives you two identical drives where one can take over in the event of a failure of the primary. The best set-up for this would also be to have each drive as the master on separate ribbon cables.

The Adaptec 1200a card that I am using uses Raid 1 for mirroring. I have each of my two drives set as a master on seperate ribbon cables.


http://cms.adaptec.com/en-US/support...aid/AAR-1200A/

There is also a Raid 1 with Duplexing in which you use two drives and two separate controller cards. That gives you total redundancy so that losing a control or losing a drive will not effect operation. More expensive due to the two controllers but more reliable too.
You have got me thinking Jim and I may be joining you in this soon. Certainly couldn't hurt.

Once I discovered that the method I have been using for four years to copy my C:\ drive to a second drive was leaving me with a second hard drive that was not bootable, I felt I HAD to do something else. I make my living using Hoster and felt I should have a computer setup that gives me a true, on the fly backup of some sort. Raid seems to do this for me.

Now I can see that if the data on my C:\ drive is corupt, it will also be corupt on the second drive, how could it not be? I use Avast Anti Virus and I'm very very careful about where I go on the web when the machine is online (which is almost never) so the chance of data coruption should be very very low. Also I scan the drive (now drives) regularly and defrag them on a regular basis. How much can we do to avoid data coruption anyway? If my drives became corrupt, I would pull out my backup drive, buy a second one, rebuid the array and carry on. We can only do so much.

The main benifit of using Raid that I see as valuable is the fact that a C:\ drive failure would not shut down my show. This is all new to me so any suggestions on having a "better Raid system" is greatly appreciated.


Thanks

Jim