Hoster screen flashing on & off with 3.313

[admin]

Originally Posted by bryant

I'm gonna follow admin's advice from now on. Skip a version now and then. Right, Beav.

Uh... that was NOT my advice.

I said those who are experiencing the problem should roll back to 3.312.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by admin

Hey, maybe we should skip over every version "13".

OO ps, I thought you meant that skippin' over every other version may be helpful.

[Beavis]

Originally Posted by admin

Beavis, I'm ashamed of you advising this!

We have an excellent Beta Testing team that beats us to death until we get everything down. Sometimes, for MTU reasons, we must do a release with a known bug still in it. Gee.... and Microsoft had how many million bugs in Windows?

Beavis, if you always wait for the "second next" release to come out, you are still running with bugs that were fixed in the next release.

Read the bugs we fixed in 3.313 that were reported in 3.312. All those who reported them are very happy with 3.313, and as you can see in this post, there many who don't see your problem. The VAST MAJORITY of users are running fine.

The problem reported in this thread is a SYSTEM RELATED BUG. It is clear it is a bug, but it is also clear that only a very few are experiencing it. Those of you who are, yes, roll back to 3.312 as for you it is an unacceptable bug.

But Beavis... get outta here with your "don't upgrade" advice! If everyone followed that, we'd never find problems like this one.

As kilith clearly restated the same thing I had stated earlier, we need facts. Everyone, read your posts. EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS. No facts. Stop the "agreeing with each other" posts that waste everyone's time, and post whatever facts you can bombard us with (we NEVER have too many facts). Then, maybe from the cumulative set of facts a picture will become clear where to look.

Hoster 3.314 will be the next project we are on in 2007. If we don't have any facts from those of you who are experiencing the problem, it won't be fixed in 3.314 either! The NEXT release will be Hoster 4.0, which will be many months off. I hope that's enough incentive to get you to post your facts!

OUCH !!!

i guess im not getting hoster 4.0 in my stocking this year

sorry admin. i guess im just one of those guys that has an iron clad machine for a computer.

i will upgrade and post my results after the first of the year.

i like to get your blood pumping every now and then admin


see what you got me in bryant JK

[kilith]

Even though I have not seen any of the problems everyone else is facing... I did roll back for the mean time to 3.312. I still have tried everything I could to produce the problems everyone else is having and I just can not repeat them (guess I am a one of the lucky ones ).

I could make it crash but I was doing it in a very mean way lol... I would play a song and then put Madden 07 back up over the top and that would crash Hoster lol however I know no one would be doing something like this at one of their shows (or at least I hope they would not rofl )

And yeah peeps upgrade to the new versions... push them to the limits you can and see what you can find wrong with them. Not every beta test can catch everything. They do not have every type of computer out there with all the different configs of sound cards, video cards, processors, windows configs, hard drives, and any other software/hardware you use in your computers. That is why it is VERY important to thoese who are having the problems find out your exact video card, sound card, processor, ect ect and post that in your posts... It has to be a hardware related problem that I know I can not create. You all could have NVIDIA cards and see we would not know that because you are not telling MTU. If you remember in a post in the past they had problems with some NVIDIA cards.

Bryant lol he just ment to skip ever .*13 version as in the number 13 is an unlucky number lol however it is one of my lucky numbers haha go figure I would have no problems with 3.313

With my post it does help the admins cause they see in my sig what type of computer I am running on and know that computer config it works

Later

[kilith]

Originally Posted by bill moore

to kilith this is the reason you do not see the problem that others see( i think)

P4 Prescott CPU 3.00ghz 800mhz fsb
3 - 512 DDR 2700 1.5gigs RAM

which is way over what mtu say's is the min to run hoster

That is very untrue since I see you do not read others posts. Some of these people have brand new Dell laptops running a Duo Core 2 Processor which are much faster then my processor. They also said they have 2 gigs of ram... that is more then I have and They are having the problems.

Originally Posted by bill moore

the reason they changed the code was to be able to run on slower system's, other video cards and to your other point about posting info most of the people that have the problem are long time user's so some wear along the way I am sure mtu has had there info

Ever think that computer can change or people do upgrade? Yes I know some of these people changed nothing but if you do not know what they have that others don't it makes the job that much harder.

Originally Posted by bill moore

and for me I have been in touch with the programmer on this problem and why should I post it again just so you can see what good is that going to do and have sent them kma's that are dealing with the other problem

It is nice you have been in contact... does not mean everyone else has been that has this problem.. You alone is not going to fix this problem it is going to be everyone's imput that is having the same problem. This post also was never directed at you either... it was directed to the whole forum.

Originally Posted by bill moore

so you telling us the same thing that admin just said is a waste of our time to read your post made it sound like you are a good little boy and the

good little boy? That is pretty offensive to be called a boy since I am a 30 year old man who has programming knowledge and computer knowledge and is trying to help point people in the right direction. The admin only said they needed more information from everyone... he never did state what type of info. People just kept repeating over and over what they were experincing and nothing more.

Originally Posted by bill moore

rest of us are stupid !!!!

If I am making others feel stupid then I am sorry... I do not think my posts did that... You seem to be the only offended person... So what are you saying? No I did not tell you what the admin said I went more in depth to help people that might not understand what they might be looking for. Ever call a computer tech line? They make you feel stupid because they are suposed to treat everyone the same... as if that person on the other side of the line knows nothing about computers.

Originally Posted by bill moore

just because you don't see it in the open forum does not mean is has not been sent in other ways.

I guess no I would not know if it was sent in other ways... I can only see what is in the forums... If it has been sent in other ways then that is a good thing... but since you do not know if it has been or not and you want the problem fixed you should be trying to help push people in the right direction as well.

Originally Posted by bill moore

admin sorry for the post but we dont need some one telling us why there post is better then ours when they dont know all the facts

Never said it was better then yours. I only stated that the admin knows it works on my type of machine however if it is better no it is not... someone who actually has the problem posting what I have would be better... I just rule out one type of computer and nothing more. I might be new to the forums but I am experienced in programming and also have a degree in computer infromation systems.

I only see the people complaining and not helping. They say the same things over and over and then I see the admin say the same thing over and over. Yes it does seem some people do not get it. Just because they can run Hoster at a karaoke gig does not mean that they are good at what their computer has in it. It is easy to hook up your computer to the internet and download/install a program... that does not mean they know what they have in their machines. The admin was not specific what should be put in the posts... I just suggested what some of the people should post (that do not have the privilege to be in the close forums like you do)

I was explaining more in depth on what might help out the admins. Sorry, if you are in direct contact with them... does not mean the others are. Did I ever say my post was better then yours? No I said

With my post it does help the admins cause they see in my sig what type of computer I am running on and know that computer config works

I said it helps more then someone just saying they have a 256meg video card and 1 gig of ram... knowing what type (NVIDIA, ATI) helps knowing how much ram it has does not unless they know the brand.. however Hoster does not require high end graphics cards...

[mindonstrike]

First and foremost Mr. Moore this would have been a good place to start
Information To Give MTU When Requesting Help

Originally Posted by bill moore

to kilith this is the reason you do not see the problem that others see( i think)

P4 Prescott CPU 3.00ghz 800mhz fsb
3 - 512 DDR 2700 1.5gigs RAM

which is way over what mtu say's is the min to run hoster

the reason they changed the code was to be able to run on slower system's/other video cards

and to your other point about posting info most of the people that have the problem are long time user's/ so some wear along the way I am sure mtu has had there info MTU doesn't keep any records concerning anyones computer system

and for me I have been in touch with the programmer on this problem and why should I post it again just so you can see Because someone with some experience might spot a pattern and suggest a course of action - it wouldn't be the first time
what good is that going to do
and have sent them kma's that are dealing with the other problem

so you telling us the same thing that admin just said is a waste of our time to read your post made it sound like you are a good little boy and the It looked more to me that Killith was expanding on Admins request for more info, not just repeat it. And besides if you didn't care for his post you could have ignored it instead of creating one as long just to say you don't like it
rest of us are stupid !!!!

just because you don't see it in the open forum does not mean is has not been sent in other ways

admin sorry for the post but we dont need some one telling us why there post is better then ours when they dont know all the facts

Per Admins request for information I'm gathering information on my 4 computers from DXDIAG and hope to post them shortly.

Sam

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by admin

I DEFINITELY want to identify what it is. But as I said in a prior post, our LEAD PROGRAMMER already looked at it, following the steps gd123 listed (and Bob Moore verified that it does it on his M8's system too), but it doesn't show up on our systems. That is a requirement for us to fix this type of problem.

SO... let's see some posts of...

* What other programs are running

* What Windows you are running

* etc....

When enough folks experiencing this problem post facts about their system, then a pattern will start to evolve. We have solved this type of problem before with this technique. Also, someone might post that little tid-bit they almost didn't, and it turns out to be the key that solves the puzzle.

Here is the DXDIAG info for the system and graphics for 4 computers all having slow redraw problem

I would also note that on my 4 machines I get the slow redraw on all KMA types (HDCDG etc) as well as ZIPS and MP3G's played from the MP3G tab.
I do not have the problem while playing WMA or MP3 music from the "audio" tab, nor do I have the problem while playing videos that are WMV Mpeg MPG or AVI (These are the only kinds I have).

My symptons have generally just been the slow redraw when closing the database search or file folder. I have not experienced any audio drops or problems with the lyrics on the TV - In fact I slid an open folder over to the TV and closed it and did not have any negative effects at all with the lyrics.

I have had this happen with all prior versions of Hoster when closing a VIDEO, AUDIO or MP3G tab, but now it is a little bit more pronounced.

The first two computers have all the resource reducing recomendations listed in the manual (Troubleshooting Audio Drops) - implemented.
My second two computers have none implemented.

I have no other programs running and nothing running in the background that I can detect.


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System Information Show Computer / Shuttle FN41
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:06:51
Machine name: KARAOKE-W8M3E9V
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 992MB RAM
Page File: 99MB used, 4901MB available
Windows Dir: E:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Display Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01F0&SUBSYS_F5401297&REV_A3
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
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WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
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Device ID: 0x01F0
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
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System Information Backup Shuttle / FN41
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 18:39:38
Machine name: KARAOKES-T5TKHQ
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 992MB RAM
Page File: 90MB used, 2861MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Display Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01F0&SUBSYS_F5401297&REV_A3
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.13.0010.4114 (English)
DDI Version: 8
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/10/2003 06:04:00, 2686794 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/10/2003 06:04:00, 1180282 bytes
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Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x01F0
SubSys ID: 0xF5401297
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Revision ID: 0x00A3
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
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System Information Dell Laptop Inspiron 1000 (not used in public)
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:21:11
Machine name: KELLI
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp1.020828-1920)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corp.
System Model: Inspiron 1000
BIOS: PhoenixBIOS 4.0 Release 6.0
Processor: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 222MB RAM
Page File: 100MB used, 444MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: The registry information for the DirectPlay application 'Stronghold' is missing or damaged. You should reinstall that application.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: SiS M650
Manufacturer: SiS
Chip type: SiS M650 Rev 00
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_6325&SUBSYS_01951028&REV_00
Display Memory: 32.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: SiSGRV.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.3592 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 6/11/2004 21:00:44, 1138688 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
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Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_D ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG1_A
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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System Information Emachines T2824 (not used in public)
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Time of this report: 12/21/2006, 19:16:05
Machine name: YOUR-FH1VWRVR0B
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: eMachines
System Model: D845GVSR
BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/03/04 01:53:07 Ver: 08.00.08
Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz, ~2.5GHz
Memory: 502MB RAM
Page File: 115MB used, 1115MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2562&SUBSYS_53528086&REV_01
Display Memory: 64.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ialmrnt5.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.3722 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/29/2004 18:13:06, 36927 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ialmnt5.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/29/2004 18:13:06, 95579 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B78E66-6622-11CF-BCED-5873A0C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x2562
SubSys ID: 0x53528086
Revision ID: 0x0001
Revision ID: 0x0001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

Sam

[ddouglass]

Sam, would you post what your virtual memory settings are? The amount is listed but it doesn't tell you whether it variable controlled by XP or set to a constant amount. Also what settings do you have on the Performance tab?

[gduns - with the Lord]

Mindonstrike,
I noticed all of the operating system specs show you are using windows xp service pack 1. This indicates you have not updated windows to all of the present updates. Could this be the problem??

Gary

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bill moore

just because you don't see it in the open forum does not mean is has not been sent in other ways

admin sorry for the post but we dont need some one telling us why there post is better then ours when they dont know all the facts

happy xmass to all

That's exactly what you're doing, in fact, so am I.
But I'll stop now as well.

[TKaraoke]

gduns, I'm running service pack 2 on two computers, still have probelm.
TKaraoke

[gduns - with the Lord]

Just for the heck of it post you dxdiag file, and lets see if we can see anything obvious.

[kilith]

Here is my DXDIAG. Not sure if that will help to compare mind on strikes DXDIAG to mine to see what could cause the problem. I thought it might help however.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/22/2006, 11:36:22
Machine name: KILITH_MPV
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Model: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/01/05 16:14:47 Ver: 08.00.09
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Memory: 1502MB RAM
Page File: 528MB used, 2866MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINNT
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0904 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file ati2dvag.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.
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Display Devices
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Card name: RADEON 9250
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: RADEON 9200 Series (0x5960)
DAC type: Internal DAC(500MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5960&SUBSYS_20021002&REV_01
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (70Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6467 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 6/30/2004 12:47:52, 208384 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 6/30/2004 12:47:34, 767488 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1A20-11CF-F16A-0800A0C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5960
SubSys ID: 0x20021002
Revision ID: 0x0001
Revision ID: 0x0001
Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

[admin]

Now we're getting somewhere. Thanks Mindonstrike and Gduns for getting folks info that they can use, instead of my just asking for info. To run Dxdiag:

Click the START menu

Left click RUN

Type in DXDIAG, and click OK.

At the bottom, click the "Save All Information" button, and remember where you save it.

Exit Dxdiag.

Using Windows Explore, find the saved DxDiag.txt file and double click it to open it in Notepad (or whatever your .txt is assigned to open with), or right click it and choose "Open With >" and select Notepad.

Copy all the text and paste it in a post in this Thread. You can edit out any private data you don't want seen before clicking the Submit button.

[admin]

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/22/2006, 14:36:25
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 376MB used, 2087MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9700 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9700 AGP (0x4E50)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4E50&SUBSYS_05141558&REV_00
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Default Monitor
Monitor Max Res:
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6505 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 12/1/2004 00:13:42, 222208 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 12/1/2004 00:13:20, 928256 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0D10-11CF-816F-1E25A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x4E50
SubSys ID: 0x05141558
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_7012&SUBSYS_04801558&REV_A0
Manufacturer ID: 65535
Product ID: 65535
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5510 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 7/17/2003 12:16:36, 611820 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Modem #2 Line Playback (emulated)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Type: Emulated
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
WHQL Logo'd:
Date and Size:
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Realtek AC97 Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x1039, 0x7001
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 4736 bytes
|
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC03D
| | Location: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03&subclass_01
| | Service: HidUsb
| | Driver: hidclass.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 36224 bytes
| | Driver: hidparse.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 24960 bytes
| | Driver: hid.dll, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 20992 bytes
| | Driver: hidusb.sys, 8/17/2001 13:02:20, 9600 bytes
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant mouse
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC03D
| | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| | | Service: mouhid
| | | Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 23040 bytes
| | | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 12:48:00, 12160 bytes

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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 52736 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 03:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 24576 bytes
|
+ Alps Pointing-device
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Upper Filters: ApfiltrService
| Service: i8042prt
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 03:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 23040 bytes

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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 55.1 GB
Total Space: 76.3 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: TOSHIBA MK8026GAX

Drive: D:
Model: TOSHIBA CDW/DVD SD-R2612
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 07:00:00, 49536 bytes

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by gduns

Mindonstrike,
I noticed all of the operating system specs show you are using windows xp service pack 1. This indicates you have not updated windows to all of the present updates. Could this be the problem??

Gary

I noticed that. A couple of weeks ago I connected my show machine to MS and told them to install sp2 and they did install something, but apparently it was not sp2.
The Dell Laptop does have sp2 on XP Home

Dale I'll get back to you on the virtual memory info.

I'd like to see someone post with a Shuttle purchased from MTU (mine are slightly upgraded versions of the same) who is NOT having the problem.

Sam

[admin]

POSSIBLE SOLUTION!

Gduns and Ddouglass made a suggestion in the Beta Testers Forum that I think is the answer. My system was having no problems, and I changed my page file size and now I AM seeing the same problems you all are. When I changed it back, it is still exhibiting the slowness, so I'm signing off, rebooting and will test again. I suspect this requires rebooting after you change the setting.

Click Start > Settings > Control Panel > System (scroll down) > Advanced Tab > Performance section (click Settings button) > in Performance Options dialog, click Advanced > in Virtual Memory section, click Change button > Custom Size radio button > enter (this is a wild guess) 1.5x your total computer RAM in the first field and 3x in your second field > Click OK > OK > OK.

REBOOT YOUR COMPUTER before running Hoster again.

[kilith]

Originally Posted by admin

POSSIBLE SOLUTION!

Gduns and Ddouglass made a suggestion in the Beta Testers Forum that I think is the answer. My system was having no problems, and I changed my page file size and now I AM seeing the same problems you all are. When I changed it back, it is still exhibiting the slowness, so I'm signing off, rebooting and will test again. I suspect this requires rebooting after you change the setting.

Click Start > Settings > Control Panel > System (scroll down) > Advanced Tab > Performance section (click Settings button) > in Performance Options dialog, click Advanced > in Virtual Memory section, click Change button > Custom Size radio button > enter (this is a wild guess) 1.5x your total computer RAM in the first field and 3x in your second field > Click OK > OK > OK.

REBOOT YOUR COMPUTER before running Hoster again.

Page file should be set at least 5-10% of your hard drive space on your windows drive. So if you have a 120gig HD it should be a min of 12000 megs at 10% Windows will give you a max that you can not go over. At least in my Windows book from school (4 years old now) recomends that. I am running at almost 3gigs for my pagefile but I have a 120gig HD partitioned in 2-60gig drives.

The admin gave the instructions for Windows Xp I am sure.. because it was not the same way for windows 2000.

For a windows 2000 machine:
Click Start > Settings > Control Panel > System (scroll down) > Advanced Tab > Performance section (click performance options button) > Virtual Memory Section (Click Change... button) > You will then see a lit of your hard drives. Highlight your main windows drive > type in initial size to somewhere around 5% of your hard drive max space and in Maximum to somewhere around 10% of your max hard drive space > Click set button to the right of the two boxes. I set mine on a 60 gig drive to 2500MB and 4095MB (4095 was the most windows would allow me to set) > Click OK > Click Ok > Click Ok > Close and save all programs and then reboot... Really should not have to reboot but in Hosters sake I would to be safe to know that all settings have been changed.

[admin]

Thanks Kilith. Actually, when I go to change it, Windows shows the recommended minimum, which I set it to, and tripple that for the "max" setting. I have an 80GB drive with 53GB free. I asked MTUSUPPORT (Bryan) and he has never set it to 10%, or even 5%, but more often to 2x the system RAM.

Now, here's the really wierd thing:

1. Before I changed my Virtual setting, Hoster was fast.

2. After I thought I changed it to the radio button to let Windows manage it, and didn't reboot, Hoster was slow and I could see what you folks were talking about. If I click & dragged the Singer's Display small window on my LCD computer screen, it left multiple images behind until I dropped it... like "mouse trails" does when it is enabled.

3. I reset the Virtual settings back to what it was before, and powered down to really be sure it was being changed. When Hoster ran again, it is STILL slow... it didn't speed back up!

4. I've reset it several times and powered down and back up, and it is STILL slow. Well, I've got this fact to give to our programmer early January when he can look at this.

I'll be interested to read what those of you who WERE SLOW might report after changing your Virtual page setting.

[gduns - with the Lord]

Admin,
I set the custom page size to 4096, and the max size to 4096. If you set it to a variable or a difference it will slow down the system. You actually used to have this in the manual. and that is the way I have it on all of my machines except my big system.

I have had no redraw problems on any of the 4 systems I use.

On the AMb64 x2 4400 machine. I have no pagefile, and 3 gig of ram.

Sam, You may have to update those service pack 1 machines for 15-20 times to get all the updates up to service pack 2 I have had to do that before, and it is a pain.