Hoster screen flashing on & off with 3.313

[admin]

Originally Posted by admin

This one's got us stumped!

Here's the problem, we now have far superior software error correction code for importing from discs. We are building it into Hoster 3.314 tomorrow for beta testing over the weekend.

We are NOT releasing 3.314 this year. It is too risky with booked Christmas and New Years shows.

[admin]

Originally Posted by TKaraoke

Admin--
Any help on this problem yet?

Our lead programmer tried gd123's steps and we did not see any delay at all. The only thing he could say at this time is "I'd say that this is a situation where someone is pressing the Stop Button followed by the Play Button just too fast."

Thus, using 3.312 is your work-around at this time. Again, there are VERY FEW who are seeing this and we cannot duplicate the problem yet. Thus, it is definitely appearing to be system related. It would be best at this point to work with MTUSUPPORT via a Support Ticket to get him to work with you to diagnose what is different in your system. He can take that to our lead programmer, who is the best diagnostician we have ever had.

[mutleymoose]

hi upgraded to 3.313 and experiencing redraw + flashing + when importing from disc its gone back to two window conversion ie mpg3 + kma i think ill go back to 3312 & wait for 3314

[UPNext]

I recently upgraded to 3.313 and noticed the slowness issue GD123 mentioned switching between songs at a Christmas rehersal today at a school. Nothing else has changed on the machine so I believe that there is some subtle problem occurring in this version.

[admin]

Originally Posted by UPNext

I recently upgraded to 3.313 and noticed the slowness issue GD123 mentioned switching between songs at a Christmas rehersal today at a school. Nothing else has changed on the machine so I believe that there is some subtle problem occurring in this version.

I can agree that there is something that has changed in 3.313. The problem is we don't have enough info to create it at MTU. Until we do, to TRY and find out what changed could take weeks of time, or sheer luck in finding the cause. There is a lot of code changes from 3.312 to 3.313, and just doing a "Diff" to view all the changes would take days of very tedious work. It is not feasible.

I hear that there is a problem with some of your systems.

We need facts... and I don't even know what to ask for. There is something different in your computers than ours at MTU. It really doesn't matter that 3.312 is fine and 3.313 exhibits this problem on your systems. Until we can identify what it is in your system that 3.313 is interacting with, we can't fix it.

I DEFINITELY want to identify what it is. But as I said in a prior post, our LEAD PROGRAMMER already looked at it, following the steps gd123 listed (and Bob Moore verified that it does it on his M8's system too), but it doesn't show up on our systems. That is a requirement for us to fix this type of problem.

SO... let's see some posts of...

* What other programs are running

* What Windows you are running

* etc....

When enough folks experiencing this problem post facts about their system, then a pattern will start to evolve. We have solved this type of problem before with this technique. Also, someone might post that little tid-bit they almost didn't, and it turns out to be the key that solves the puzzle.

[kilith]

I have tried everything except trying to copy a CD while a song is playing. I have done every other test that you people are having a problem with. I pulled up other programs and also did the add two songs start the first one clicked on second hit stop and then play and no problem there either.
I know I have a much newer machine then some of you out there. I am also running a Desktop as well so that I will not have memory problems and when I need to upgrade I can do it with ease.

What type of systems is everyone running on that are having these problems? What type of Processor, how much RAM, what type of Video card? I think everyone with the problems should post their systems. Maybe the code changes might not be compatible with some of the video cards. Saying that it did it on your buddies computer the problem is how old is your buds computer? what type of video card, how much RAM, which windows, was it on one song, 2 songs, every song, did it start after so many songs were played? As a game programmer myself I know the more info I get from my players the more I can do to fix problems :p Give them everything you can folx Also run Task Manager and see how much processor and RAM is being used by your computer as Hoster is running. I have tried EVERYTHING I could to make the rewrite slow or to cause the stop/play problem and everything I have tried didn't do anything that you have had problems with. I also tried to max out my CPU with running Madden, running SAM2 party DJ along with SAM Broadcaster. Still no problems with lag or rewrite problems.

The system I run is in my sig.. compare and see if maybe something with Hoster and your system might not be working together?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by UPNext

I recently upgraded to 3.313 and noticed the slowness issue GD123 mentioned switching between songs at a Christmas rehersal today at a school. Nothing else has changed on the machine so I believe that there is some subtle problem occurring in this version.

I have noticed this too, on a brand new shuttle dual core 2,4gHz, 2 gig ram, 256 bit 256 mb ram video card.
The top of the line, almost. 500 gB HD 7200 rpm Seagate internal.

[bryant]

Also noticed slowness in "X'ing" out the search box.

pauses for a second before it disappears.

[kedmison]

Not sure this is what we are talking about, but,.....I have always had a Excell copy of my song book that I keep on my computer. Have it tab by Artist, Title, Songs that I sing, etc. This has always been up and in the background. Someone maybe singing a song and I would bring up the excell sheet to say find a song someone was having trouble with. (I know Hoster has a search engine but sometimes it's quicker and easier for me to use my old excell.)

When I would go from the excell spreadsheet back into Hoster there was never a problem. NOW, when I switch from excell to Hoster, it's like the screen has to re-write in slow motion as Hoster starts appearing at the top of the screen and writes it's way down the page.

My old Prostar computer from MTU (1 gig ram) has never had this problem with the older version of Hoster. It does now. I just recently bought a new Dell as a back up that also has Hoster. It is the new dual core and has 2 gig of ram and it does the same thing.

None of this causes any performance problems with Hoster. The music nor does the graphics ever cause a glitch. It's just annoying and somewhat time consuming waiting on Hoster to re-write it's self back on the screen.

Kelly

[TKaraoke]

Kelly, you put it in better words than I did, but mine is doing the same thing except it disrupts the singers screen, and rewrite that whole Hoster screen when the song playing changes to the next page of words. Occasionally it will change the singers page to white with black letters, some missing, then go back to color and play fine. Two newer HP laptops, both working with prior version, both doing the same thing with new version 3.313. Revert back to old version 3.312 and everything works fine again.
TKaraoke

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by TKaraoke

Kelly, you put it in better words than I did, but mine is doing the same thing except it disrupts the singers screen, and rewrite that whole Hoster screen when the song playing changes to the next page of words. Occasionally it will change the singers page to white with black letters, some missing, then go back to color and play fine. Two newer HP laptops, both working with prior version, both doing the same thing with new version 3.313. Revert back to old version 3.312 and everything works fine again.
TKaraoke

Are you using a second monitor or is singer's screen on the main laptop screen?
I got that feeling from your statement and the fact that no one else is getting singer disruption just the main screen. (not that this changes the problem, but just wondering?)

[TKaraoke]

It disrupted the singers screen on laptop, never tried it on the external monitor, it was so bad I just went back to prior version because I had a show to do and haven't had time. But I'll try and get you an answer asap.
TKaraoke

[kedmison]

I use an lcd for singers; also send signal out to big regular TV up and behind me for crowd. It does not , so far, seem to effect either. It is only showing up on the laptop it self.

My wife who goes to the shows with me, did say one night that something seemed to happen to the words on the screen, (disappeared) but by the time I looked up it had quit. So it is possible that once in awhile it is affecting the singers monitor also.

Kelly

[gd123]

kedmison,
You are experiencing exactly, and worded correctly, what all, who are having this problem, are experiencing in v3.313.

Tkaraoke
Gd123
Bobcox
Mutleymoose
Upnext
bryant
kedmison

New systems, old systems, various OSs, various RAMs.

Thank you for posting!

[bill moore]

don't forget me !!!!!!!

[Beavis]

count me out ! still a version behind.

[bryant]

I'm gonna follow admin's advice from now on. Skip a version now and then. Right, Beav.

[Beavis]

i always wait.

[bryant]

I actually waited a while on this, and actually skipped right by 3.112, should waited longer, though, you're right Beav.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Beavis

i always wait.

Beavis, I'm ashamed of you advising this!

We have an excellent Beta Testing team that beats us to death until we get everything down. Sometimes, for MTU reasons, we must do a release with a known bug still in it. Gee.... and Microsoft had how many million bugs in Windows?

Beavis, if you always wait for the "second next" release to come out, you are still running with bugs that were fixed in the next release.

Read the bugs we fixed in 3.313 that were reported in 3.312. All those who reported them are very happy with 3.313, and as you can see in this post, there many who don't see your problem. The VAST MAJORITY of users are running fine.

The problem reported in this thread is a SYSTEM RELATED BUG. It is clear it is a bug, but it is also clear that only a very few are experiencing it. Those of you who are, yes, roll back to 3.312 as for you it is an unacceptable bug.

But Beavis... get outta here with your "don't upgrade" advice! If everyone followed that, we'd never find problems like this one.

As kilith clearly restated the same thing I had stated earlier, we need facts. Everyone, read your posts. EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS... EMOTIONS. No facts. Stop the "agreeing with each other" posts that waste everyone's time, and post whatever facts you can bombard us with (we NEVER have too many facts). Then, maybe from the cumulative set of facts a picture will become clear where to look.

Hoster 3.314 will be the next project we are on in 2007. If we don't have any facts from those of you who are experiencing the problem, it won't be fixed in 3.314 either! The NEXT release will be Hoster 4.0, which will be many months off. I hope that's enough incentive to get you to post your facts!