question on licensing agreement

[jimbo]

Just got done talking with "Priddis". Here is the response:

My position is, if they bought the CDs, they can copy them onto their own system (hard drive) at no cost._ For me, it's simply a matter of delivery systems._ If they want all their CDs on a hard drive for convenience, that's OK with me._ If they want to put them on a second hard drive (because they have another DJ going out), then they need to buy another set.

Makes sense to me. You've paid for the CDG, now use it for your shows, even if it's through a computer. The problem becomes when you're duplicating it to run on several different systems.

For more discussion visit karaokescene.com and listen to the internet radio broadcasts. Broadcast #4 is what Sound Choice says, and Broadcast #5 will give Priddis' point of view.

Jim

[SteveWalker]

Originally posted by pcgumshoe


Well, I will wait to see what they say... In any regard, no one has been so bold with a licensing agreement. Can anyone show another company that does this?

You didn't tell me how these manufacturers can administer such a program as you wish for. Did you buy your CDG's directly from the manufacturers so that you are registered with them so they can verify who you are and what you purchased?

Anyone could ask the manufacturer to sell them a 2nd license for their CDG's. Anyone can do this. Even someone who never purchased any CDG's whatsoever like some people you know who have copied CDG's and own no originals for example.

Steve

[George]

Choices, choices, choices. That's what makes us all unique.

For myself, I'd choose to believe what a company prints as it's policy, rather than what someone in that company tells me.

JIMBO, be interesting to see what happened if you were to ask whoever you talked to at Priddis to put it in writing and send you a letter stating that policy on company letterhead, just in case you needed proof you were operating within the framework of their policy and this person could not be located.

George

[jimbo]

How about if I get them to put it on their website? Who would be happy with that. Have something official from a company for all to see. See what their official position is.

Jim

[George]

Now you're talking, and ask them to spell it out clearly.

George

[pcgumshoe]

Not being a lawyer, thanks to a good career path change, I personally try to clarify EVERYTHING I can in writing. Every week at my bar I print a new weekly letter from me that explains our policy, how we run our show, what's new and revisiting old policies. This is printed every week and placed in the front of all 10 of my karaoke books.

Of course, I print it myself. I don't have a lawyer do it. If I did, you wouldn't have ANY idea what I was trying to say or even if we were talking about karaoke.

I am guessing that someone wrote that for their website and it was my oversite, probably my zeal, that interjected something that wasn't spelled out right there.

This thread began under a false impression. The originator of this thread was confused about having tracks PRE-INSTALLED on a hard drive. This is CLEARLY not what hoster does, no tracks are pre-installed. Hoster is the software that allows you to take, assumingly, cd's you already own a license for and place them on your hard drive. It is up to the operator of the software to police themselves regarding that they ACTUALLY have a license for the disks they are installing.

I started by quoting a significant case and then brought up what I considered one of the most liberal policies I had seen. Whether this policy is correct, is another story. I can't imagine, for example, that Disney would grant such a blanket license to a manufacture of music. Even if the words aren't on the screen

[danny_g]

Originally posted by SteveWalker
You didn't tell me how these manufacturers can administer such a program as you wish for. Did you buy your CDG's directly from the manufacturers so that you are registered with them so they can verify who you are and what you purchased?

Anyone could ask the manufacturer to sell them a 2nd license for their CDG's. Anyone can do this. Even someone who never purchased any CDG's whatsoever like some people you know who have copied CDG's and own no originals for example.

Steve

they could prove it by sending the front cover of the cdg they own to the manufacturer the way Sound choice required for when they distributed the Milestone I disc they gave away and that would prove you own the disc already.

[SteveWalker]

danny_g,

Verification required for a free giveaway should be much less than giving away a complete license.

If you own the CDG manufacturing company how would you do it or would you do it at all? Why not just go out and buy another set of CDGs when the license will surely cost you as much?

I can't help but think that someone wants something for nothing here.

Steve

[danny_g]

Originally posted by SteveWalker
danny_g,

Verification required for a free giveaway should be much less than giving away a complete license.

If you own the CDG manufacturing company how would you do it or would you do it at all? Why not just go out and buy another set of CDGs when the license will surely cost you as much?

I can't help but think that someone wants something for nothing here.

Steve

I would gladly pay say 3/4 of the regular price to use one disc on more than one system if I was to be using a computer to run my shows- why have 2 of the same cdg lying in a safe place. all I would need is a certificate from said manufacturer saying I paid the extra liscencing fee if say KAPA Comes around.

[SteveWalker]

It's not going to happen!

[George]

If you owned a carpet cleaning business, and wanted to expand to more than one crew, you'd have to buy the needed vehicles and equipment at the going price for each additional crew wouldn't you?

What's the difference?

George

[Debinski]

It seems most of the previous discussion is focused on copying and/or archiving.

I just read the Priddis License Page:

http://www.priddis.com/license.htm

Interestingly enough, It looks like we don't even have permission to play the original CD in public let alone a copy.

Does anybody else see it that way?

Steve.

[George]

As written by Priddis from the above link.

Once our music has been purchased, the customer has our permission to use our music for personal in home use, for entertaining and performing for profit or nonprofit, for use in music and vocal lessons, and for making demo-tapes. Providing quality accompaniment music to performers and nonperformers for the above uses is what we are all about. Our tapes are used by amateur and professional performers all over the United States and the world.

Don't understand the problem.

George

[jimbo]

I don't understand the problem either.

Where else do you entertain except in public? Of course you can use Priddis music in public. Also, the Priddis stance on MTU, go for it. As long as you have purchased the music, they don't have a problem with you loading it on your computer and using your computer at your shows. When you have two rigs and only buy one set of discs, then there is a problem.

Debinski may be getting confused with a paragraph later on which states the music can not be used in a commercial product. I understand the 'commercial product' would mean recording your voice with the minus track and then SELLING that recording, or using the Priddis recordings in making a TV or Radio commercial (maybe doing a parady of a song to fit a business).

Jim

[admin]

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