Genuine CD+G Disks

[billyo]

like i said in my previous post on other thread, when we bought these disc, we as the consumer already paid what ever it is that that should have been paid, it's the pruducers of these cdg's who are responsible to pay the original producers/artist of said disc, the original producers are probably going after these cdg producer, who probably didnt have the money to pay and in turn these cdg producers are going after us..and to have the right or license to use it is probably a scare tactic to get money from us and to help them pay the original producers/artist.

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by billyo

like i said in my previous post on other thread, when we bought these disc, we as the consumer already paid what ever it is that that should have been paid, it's the pruducers of these cdg's who are responsible to pay the original producers/artist of said disc, the original producers are probably going after these cdg producer, who probably didnt have the money to pay and in turn these cdg producers are going after us..and to have the right or license to use it is probably a scare tactic to get money from us and to help them pay the original producers/artist.

As I have said before, years ago, i would occasionally trade with a fellow performer, never realizing it WAS an act of piracy. I sure quite a few of you out there did the same. No harm was meant, no intent to defraud was meant. I did it without even thinking it was wrong. Some of these files are in my database and i can't even remember which is which without doing a prolonged time consuming search.
I believe this is what Sound Choice is betting on when they file these suits without checking anything. MOST kj's have illegal files in their database and they may have never intended to break the law or even thought of it as breaking the law.
I still say boycott Sound Choice and any other company that pursues an honest working man the way it is being done. I do believe you should catch the crooks.
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[Roy Dennis]

Just as a follow up on my original post, I did receive a reply from Sunfly about my complaint, I attach a copy of the email below:


So if you read the attachment you will understand why I am at this moment going through a list of their disks to see what I need


Roy.

[bigjimwhite]

This almost sounds like a "Bribe" to keep you happy and quiet! Just from my prospective that is!

[ddouglass]

While I understand their point of view and see why they did it that way, I would still expect a label of some kind authenticating the disk as original with their disclaimer and a disk ID number on it. Even if it wasn't like the original at least to have some way for you to be able to say this is an original purchased from Sunfly. Even apreprinted stick on label would work for that and be cheaper for them. Most of the companies just don't bother with out of print disks at all. At least they are trying.

[Musicman51]

At least they are trying.

Kind of a lame attempt at best. They sure scream to high heaven when someone makes a copy..but buy a cheap sticker labled copy? They see nothing wrong with it. Years ago you pay your money you got a fresh pressed CDG in a jewel case, printed graphic page, spine title card, some times even printed lyric sheets. I subscribe to chartbuster country & pop hits of the month. They come in a thin non padded shipping envelope. Open it and the disc is in a cheap card board sleeve. Cutting cost? naw..just giving you less for more money. And on some chartbuster cdg's you get the junk. If you look real close on most chartbuster cdg's, especially the new monthly disc, it will say something to the effect "guranteed to play in all karaoke graphic players. But some of their older disc, you get junk cheap copies. And....shame on them, i can tell they didn't use microstudio. A few wouldn't play in my old triple drawer JVC. If a company produced cdg will not play in the old stand by trusty JVC players..that disc is junk..period.They did replace them..but still it's the whole idea. Stinks....and so it goes........

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by Musicman51

Kind of a lame attempt at best. They sure scream to high heaven when someone makes a copy..but buy a cheap sticker labled copy? They see nothing wrong with it. Years ago you pay your money you got a fresh pressed CDG in a jewel case, printed graphic page, spine title card, some times even printed lyric sheets. I subscribe to chartbuster country & pop hits of the month. They come in a thin non padded shipping envelope. Open it and the disc is in a cheap card board sleeve. Cutting cost? naw..just giving you less for more money. And on some chartbuster cdg's you get the junk. If you look real close on most chartbuster cdg's, especially the new monthly disc, it will say something to the effect "guranteed to play in all karaoke graphic players. But some of their older disc, you get junk cheap copies. And....shame on them, i can tell they didn't use microstudio. A few wouldn't play in my old triple drawer JVC. If a company produced cdg will not play in the old stand by trusty JVC players..that disc is junk..period.They did replace them..but still it's the whole idea. Stinks....and so it goes........

George, the man that use to play all string instruments on the chartbuster country tracks use to play with me in Lynchburg Va. Great talented musician. He says they are not cutting corners in the recording end of chartbuster tracks. They may be cutting corners on packaging, and i accept that.
Chartbuster is not involved in the KIAA or the Slepp's attacks on kj's.
I won't buy Sound Choice, but i continue to buy Chartbuster.
George, for your info, send me a private email, and i will give you the name of the musician i'm talking about. You may just know him as he toured with some top names in the business. Straight up guy who loves the music. It is great to play chartbuster tracks knowing the picker is some one you played with a while, and i do reconize his picking style.
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[bryant]

Originally Posted by bigjimwhite

This almost sounds like a "Bribe" to keep you happy and quiet! Just from my prospective that is!

I disagree with you entirely. This sounds like a very professional response to a very legitimate complaint.
I could not see a better way to deal with this as they did.

[Roy Dennis]

Yes Bryant, I agree with you. It seems I am not the only one to have made this complaint and that they are doing their best to rectify the problem.

Roy.

[Musicman51]

I agree with you walt, i also use chartbuster...i subscribe to their monthly country and pop hits every month. I've always said, chartbuster is the only country CDG to be had. They put out a great product. I have visited Big Mama's a couple of times. My daughter won a free recording session there. Sang at the cafe to while i was down there. There sound system was just fantastic, even when i sang outside on chartbusters patio. I was just speaking of the packaging. And i guess like everything else, price's are going up, and things change i guess. Chartbuster is the only show in town far as i'm concerned. I don't use that sunfly outfit, not impressed with their material, and selections. Yes i think i do know who you're refering to...a great player and a nice person. Yeah...sound choice is history up 'round these parts walt. Sound choice tried to pull some stuff in my state a couple of years ago. They lost in a court case big time, hilarious actually. The KIA{A}, sound choice, slepps and that whole gang is a joke walt. We have written them off. We don't mention karaoke and sound choice in the same breath round these here parts.... I'll email ya walt.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Roy Dennis

Just as a follow up on my original post, I did receive a reply from Sunfly about my complaint, I attach a copy of the email below:

So if you read the attachment you will understand why I am at this moment going through a list of their disks to see what I need

Roy, your PDF file lacks; 1) A letterhead indicating who it is from, 2) A prepared date.

If I didn't know you were a straight-up businessman, I'd say that was a dummy you printed and made a pdf.

Very unprofessional on Sunfly's part, but then so is making discs with sticky labels.

[muzicman144]

In This day and age, anyone with a modern computer, laser printer to print on disc, and common sense can duplicate any karaoke manufacturers disk and you can't tell the difference.
Same can be said for a reciept showing one bought the disk. May take a while, but it can be done very easy with todays technology.
Catching a pirate is one thing, proving he is one is something else. So many small music stores that sold cdg's have gone out of business, no records remain, so it is pretty easy to provide a bogus, but non tracable receipt for any cdg bought.
JMHO
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[Musicman51]

Years ago when i purchased an old pioneer cdg player from a dealer who has long since gone out of business. They said buy the player they're throw in a sweet georgia browns box collection. When i recieved my order. Some were the gold and black disc, some were blue and white, some were orange and white, some were black and white. I got them through what i think was a reputable dealer...who knows. I couldn't prove it today.

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by Musicman51

Years ago when i purchased an old pioneer cdg player from a dealer who has long since gone out of business. They said buy the player they're throw in a sweet georgia browns box collection. When i recieved my order. Some were the gold and black disc, some were blue and white, some were orange and white, some were black and white. I got them through what i think was a reputable dealer...who knows. I couldn't prove it today.

From what i read, if you don't have a receipt to prove you bought the cdg disc, you are illegal, throws a wrench into a whole lot of us who hasn't kept receipts. Guess i better be printing up a batch just in case. Lotta little stores have gone under that used to sell cdg's.
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