Smoking Venue And Hoster

[Musicman51]

I fully agree Randy....cough cough hack hack from the dude smoking that big el towrope black owl corona seagarr.... sittin next ta me.....

[billyo]

i played in bars where smoking is allowed, i'm sorry to say that i do smoke, but anyway, some bars here has a very high powered vents, and as long as they dont smoke infront of you , you wont smell like an ashtray when you go home.. but anyway here in so. fla, smoking inside is allowed providing you are only selling a small percent of food, and also bars here have patios where people can smoke,

[muzicman144]

Originally Posted by billyo

i played in bars where smoking is allowed, i'm sorry to say that i do smoke, but anyway, some bars here has a very high powered vents, and as long as they dont smoke infront of you , you wont smell like an ashtray when you go home..

I ain't never been in a bar or club where smoking is allowed that you can't smell it when you get home. I used to smoke, but couldn't smell it then. They could put a jet engine in now to clear the smoke, i'd still smell it, even if i only thought i could. and i live in so Florida.
muzicman144

[billyo]

do you live in so.fla ? or used to. and what part of so.fla

[muzicman144]

I live on the big lake, Big O.
Whenever smoking and smoker's rights are discussed. It's always about my "rights". I will agree 100% that anyone who chooses to smoke and can afford it, should be able to do so. But when you excercise your "right" in my presence, you take away any right i may have not to smell the smoke.
I fought for your rights, and, was a smoker until 96'. I am not one who condemns a smoker. They should just remember that when they excercise those rights, there may be someone beside you who fought to give you that right and you are not respecting that persons rights.
Off the soapbox, i play smoking and non'smoking venues and find the best crowds, most behaved crowds in the non smoking venues.
muzicman144

[billyo]

i do respects peoples right who don't smoke, and i dont smoke infront of people who dont smoke, i dont even smoke infront of my wife/daughter,and i dont even smoke in my vehicle,i started smoking in my 40's, and i regret it very much ( getting divorce at that time ) i kinda dis-agree with you bout the most behave people are non smokers, i play in a non smoker right now and i have a few that are the the most abnoxious people i've ever seen, they're non smokers and most of the time they will order a drink and sat there all night,waiting for their turn but my smoker people will order drinks as long as they still have packs of smokes in them..and they do go outside and smoke..but anyway pls. don't take it the wrong way, this is just my opinion and for the sake of conversation..

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by billyo

i kinda dis-agree with you bout the most behave people are non smokers, i play in a non smoker right now and i have a few that are the the most abnoxious people i've ever seen, they're non smokers and most of the time they will order a drink and sat there all night,waiting for their turn but my smoker people will order drinks as long as they still have packs of smokes in them..and they do go outside and smoke..but anyway pls. don't take it the wrong way, this is just my opinion and for the sake of conversation..

You are not just whistlin' Dixie.

I have been in the service business (rest/bar) for the last 30 years. One of those gigs was a 10 year stint as a manager for Red Lobster. As a corporation, General Mills restaurant division was concerned about the growing nonsmoking lobby even way back then. When I was in Orlando, for training they were mining data from the sales records over a 5 year period. Since the smoking/nonsmoking sections are assigned by table number, they could get sales data separated by smoking preference. This was important to them because it could mean millions of dollars in sales every year. They either wanted to fight the legislation, or jump ahead of the market and make their restaurants nonsmoking ahead of the curve.

The gist of the results were that smokers not only drink more alcohol, they also ate more appetizers and desserts. I would say that bad habits do not stand alone I was not there for the final conclusions as I resigned shortly thereafter. What I do know is that they didn't open any nonsmoking restaurants if they weren't forced to. So I would surmise that the data supported the initial conclusions.

The winds of change are there though. I think that at some point people will realize that smoking is bad for you On the business side, the scale is still leaning toward the smoking side if it is allowed by law. Maybe, some day, it will tip the other way. I can see a lot of benefits to being nonsmoking when it comes to maintenance and such, but for now, I just don't see it as a good business decision.

What I tell the zealots now is I would gladly put up a 20% stake in a nonsmoking venue in this market. There is a building that would be perfect right across the street. If you REALLY believe this is the way to go, you wouldn't mind putting up the other 80% because you would make a killing. I will be your silent partner and adviser on running the business. I will provide the exact same experience you would get in my place and we will see which one folds first.

Funny thing is, I haven't had any takers yet.

[RandyMcCharles]

I think Muzicman was suggesting that of the venues 'he' plays, the non-smoking venues are better behaved. This will not hold true everywhere. Of the venues I go to sing at, the older the crowd the better behaved. Nothing to do with smoking or even drinking. The younger crowds just have less respect for people and things. One of the KJs here will not host younger crowds. He gave that up years ago and will now only host older venues.