This isn't fun anymore!

[karaokefun]

Hey guys,

This my first post here. I had to respond after reading this thread. In my humble opinion, you should never have to make changes to your computer settings (and definately not THAT many) to make a program work.

The anology of simply checking your car's gas and oil is WAY over simplistic. After seeing the "tweaks" required at this point to make it run right on Vista, I'd liken it more to a repairing a cracked block. Understand that it's easy if you already know it. Not everyone is computer savvy.

I'm one of those DJs who runs Hoster with a DJ program and can't do the adjustments (I also don't know how to quote someone here, as I've seen others here do)

To the guy who suggested hiring an IT guy to explain it: Are you serious?

I don't consider it "whining" or "crying" to object to having to take who knows how much time to learn, then do, all of the required changes (and all the while being nervous that I might be screwing up my laptop to perform other tasks outside of karaoke)

MTU should simply make a program that works correctly with Vista.

Thanx,
Ron

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by karaokefun

Hey guys,

This my first post here.

Welcome to the forums!! It is always nice to hear the opinions and often unheard problems people are having.

Originally Posted by karaokefun

In my humble opinion, you should never have to make changes to your computer settings (and definately not THAT many) to make a program work.

I'm one of those DJs who runs Hoster with a DJ program and can't do the adjustments (I also don't know how to quote someone here, as I've seen others here do)

Thanx,
Ron

All of the changes to Vista are merely to free up computer resources. I have been testing 4.06 on a Vista gaming laptop that is more powerful than most. I have been able to run it without all of the changes made. Most programs, high end games included, don't depend on the video and sound to be perfectly in sync. That is why most people notice the problems. I am sure that with a little help and feedback from people like yourself all the issues can get resolved.

[ddouglass]

The only thing I can say is what do you do when your computer starts acting up? The same thing you do when your car is not running right...you take it to a mechanic.
Would you rather that Hoster went in and made all these tweaks for you on installation? I can't say whether or not that would be possible with Vista's security, but it is a thought.
If you remember back when Vista came out both Hoster (3.315) and Vista had to be tweaked in oder to get the program to work at all on it. So don't tell me that Hoster 3 ran without any. Even for XP you have had to do the Custom Updates because Microsoft doesn't include everything in their Automatic Updates.
Every major program that you install on your computer requires some adjustments to get them to work exactly right. As Marklwood said there aren't many that require precise syncronization of sound and graphics like karaoke programs do.

[sleflar]

ddouglas,

We have over 23 laptops with Hoster. We have never had to make adjustments to our computers for any program except Hoster 4xx.

Even the gentleman that said when VDJ came out with there upgrade you needed to make adjustments to make the program work correctly. We didn't need to make any adjustments on any of our computers. I talked to many of our competitors in the area and they didn't have to make adjustments on VDJ.

[ddouglass]

All I can say is if you want the best performance then sometimes you have to do a little tuning up. Especially when Microsoft keeps reformulating the "gas". Hoster is more complex now than ever before with a lot of added features with more on the way and Vista has made the job a whole lot more difficult with the added resources required for it and security that has gotten to the ridiculous point.If you haven't had to make adjustments before then you have been very lucky.

[marklwood]

Comparing VDJ's requirements to Hoster's is like comparing minesweeper to the latest 3D game. My brother-in-law is a gamer. Every time he gets a new game or upgrades an existing one, I get the call. Most of the time I can just make adjustments for the added resources needed, but sometimes he has to make a choice. Either upgrade the hardware, make the necessary tweaks, or don't play the game.

Even if you never make any changes at all, Microsoft raises the bar with every security fix and "upgrade" to the operating system. Eventually it will catch up to you. Also, I would think that without some sort of computer control system in place, you don't REALLY know what happens with those systems while they are not under your personal control. This, alone, would seem to warrant at least someone with a little knowledge to periodically check these machines for viruses or other tampering.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by sleflar

ddouglas,

I talked to many of our competitors in the area and they didn't have to make adjustments on VDJ.

You gotta be kidding, I was on the VDJ forum for two years straight, and that's all that was talked about, in fact, VDJ has pages of tweaks that the VDJ expert users will always refer you to. I went through half of those tweaks, took a whole day, videos still froze on the lappy. Less powerful lappy with lower end video card plays videos well, go figure. They even have threads in there that are titled "List your combination of specs that play videos play flawlessly", because they are still trying to ascertain what tweaks work and what combination of computer specs work.

[sleflar]

Sorry you had problems. We didn't with 23 Laptops

[bryant]

Originally Posted by sleflar

Sorry you had problems. We didn't with 23 Laptops

It wasn't just me it was threads and threads of VDJ users, that was my point. I do a lot of video mixing and was quite easy with an earlier version. There are still some refusing to do the tweaks, or don't understand how, and have chosen to stick with the old versions as they claim the new versions lost a lot of the original functionality.