Host without Hoster?

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

This forum is to help folks who use MTU products. The above statement was made, along with others which can lead folks to believe that:

1. they must have there disc as a back-up to Hoster. (Which implies that you don't trust Hoster and it's not reliable. )

No I use my discs for back up because I don't trust computers - Hoster is great! PLUS the fact that you are technically only allowed to make one to one ratio of your discs according to MTU legal research. So if I have Hoster & the music on a separate computer for backup, this would be breaking the law since this would now be considered a 2:1 (or more according to others I have talked to on other forums) backup ratio. Even though the backups may not technically be in use they still exist.

2. running a karaoke show with Hoster isn't any better than running disc. (I'm sorry but after four years of using Hoster up to six nights a week, I just don't see this one. )

Again, I can agree to a point for those who did not run disc based shows properly, meaning having one player. Look up the disc, cue disc, get singer going. Singer ends, dead air, look up next disc, etc....These types of disc based shows I can see where Hoster would be a night & day difference.
I ran multiple players, always had the next song cued up & in some cases cued up to the starting point of the music eliminating all the silence in the beginning of most songs, on a song with a long outro I could get the next singer up & fade out the outro while starting the next song immediately. Right now Hoster does not have this capability, I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will. I ran discs for 14 years 7 nights a week, been on computer for less than a year now. And other than that limitiation, Hoster is a great program!

I have found that both of these point are not true. Hoster is an awsome program and is in the process of revolutionizing Karaoke Hosting as we know it.

I agree, and with every new update making it a little better each time, I may one day 100% agree that it is the best program out there, right now I consider it 99.999% the best which is why I use it.

I asked about the size of your rig to make the point evident to the community that when a Karaoke Host is hauling around as much gear as you do. it's no problem to throw your discs in the van, not that there is anything wrong with it. What is easy for you, (since I work alone without a trailer, anything over 50lbs. is not easy to move) is not feasable for me. Folks who choose to run lightweight rigs and choose not to bring their discs to every show shouldn't be made to feel like they are doing something wrong.

I don't have a trailer either, everything gets loaded in a small minivan. Onto either a cart or a dolly. Nothing really has to be lifted (speakers sure, but have a friend or someone from the bar that can help lift onto the stands if need be). I have never once said or indicated that the people that don't bring discs to their show are doing something wrong, I have stated that is MY personal preference & will continue to do so.

Lonnie, "Just because something works doesn't mean it's the best way to do it or that everybody has to do it that way." Please use these boards to promote the use of MTU products and uderstand that "there is more than one way to skin a cat." I don't believe this is happening with mallace intent but a little respect for MTU should be employed when posting on their board, in my opinion

I have nothing BUT respect for MTU & their products! Should I have to be forced to agree with everything on their boards? Should I be forced to agree that they are the best thing since sliced bread (they are close though)? I am not knocking MTU in any way shape or form, I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

I'm not picking on you brother, I just want the folks to buy Hoster with the uderstanding that it is a very reliable program and that no disc means NO DISCS! Thanks for the helping me make these points clear.


Jim

Yep & every forum I belong to I state which programs I use proudly (MTU mostly) & encourage others & even have defended them at times when someone spouts off without having their facts straight.
But no discs for backup is a personal choice! I know & have talked with others on other forums that also bring their discs for backup, so i'm not the only one!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I am knocking those who said a disc based show could not be run as smooth as a computer based show.

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Why knock anybody? Let both sides of the issue be presented fairly then let the reader make thier own decion. There is no need for knocking anybody in my opinion, it just turns into a pissing match.

Please notice I said "can lead folks to believe that".

Jim

I'll argue to the end of the Earth when someone says something can't be done when in fact it can! Opinion is just that but when it is stated as fact such as the comment As for the speed of disc users Vs Hoster, this is an old topic, and my memory seems to remind me you lost that one too., that is where it is no longer opinion, he is stating that discs cannot be run as fast or smoothly as a computer.
Again, this is discs vs comp. All you disc haters must have a reason (other than 'weight' which seems to be the biggest complaint) that you tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly - it can - that is and always HAS been what I am getting at. Would I go back to running discs exclusively, if the need be yes I would the minute I would have to, but otherwise I am running the computer with discs as a back up - my choice!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Lonnie,
I may have stepped into this conversation at the wrong time.

Your statement:

"that you (YOU being me) tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly"

shows me that you assuming since I agree with musicman on one point that I agree with everythiong he posts.

My statements have nothing to do with a disc show being run "as efficiently" as a computer show. Discless Karaoke is better than Disc Karaoke when you use Hoster, for more reasons that how efficent the Karaoke Host is and I don't have to argue with anybody about it. The proof is in the program. Hoster can help make a "so so" Karaoke host become almost as good a a seasoned host like yourself.

You and musicman seem to be having a pissing match and it's getting all over the rest of us. It's obvious to me because my point was drowned. Maybe this issue deserves it's own poll.

I'm out of this conversation, I hope somebody, somewhere gains some knowledge from these posts.

Adios!

Jim

[Lonman]

Originally Posted by madjim

Lonnie,
I may have stepped into this conversation at the wrong time.

Your statement:

"that you (YOU being me) tend to believe discs cannot be run as efficiently as a computer based show with someone who knows how to run discs properly"

shows me that you assuming since I agree with musicman on one point that I agree with everythiong he posts.

I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!

My statements have nothing to do with a disc show being run "as efficiently" as a computer show. Discless Karaoke is better than Disc Karaoke when you use Hoster, for more reasons that how efficent the Karaoke Host is and I don't have to argue with anybody about it. The proof is in the program. Hoster can help make a "so so" Karaoke host become almost as good a a seasoned host like yourself.

And that was also what I was getting at, Hoster can make a crappier kj more efficient as far as speeding up their show because they did not have a clue on how to run discs properly.

You and musicman seem to be having a pissing match and it's getting all over the rest of us. It's obvious to me because my point was drowned. Maybe this issue deserves it's own poll.

Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

I'm out of this conversation, I hope somebody, somewhere gains some knowledge from these posts.

Adios!

Jim

[mindonstrike]

For what it's worth I'll weigh in here.

I've visited Lonnies show once and although he was gone that night I found the show well run and the sound was awsome.
Lonnie has been a staple on many of the karaoke forums for many years and because of his many years running sound for bands and karaoke and because he keeps abreast of new equipment offering new ways to do old things, his advice is much sought after on many of the forums, much of which I've incorporated into my show over the years.

I used disks for 4 years before switching to Hoster and I can confirm that using disks CAN be faster although you do sacrifice convenience for it.

Ironicly I spend a lot more non-show time on show related activities now than I did before the computer. When I used disks I simply bought disks, typed the song title/artists into the songbook software, added the disks to the binders and I was done. Now I have to import them, watch a minute or two of each track to assure a good import. I end up spending time each week re-importing stuff that had issues as well as fixing misspellings in the database. Because I want to make better use of my rootid's I've taken to importing using Microstudio and then renaming each track to reflect the track number I want to give it and then import into Hoster. I've also started trimming long outros out of songs so my timer better reflects how much time I can be away from the computer, and then reimport those into Hoster. And then there's defraging, Microsoft updates, driver updates, moving new and edited KMA's to the backup computers, etc etc.

Convenience during a show?: Yes
Flexability during a show?: Yes
Time saving?: Not necesarily.

IMHO
Sam

[muzicman144]

[quote=Lonman;70471]I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!


I did not say you were wrong, but, said i do believe the computer is faster. Done it both ways and know HOW to do it. I don't care how you do it!!!



Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

Again, you give yourself to much credit. No need to follow anyone anywhere. Never intended on a pissing contest, I apologize to everyone else on this forum. just don't appreciate anyone telling me what i use is crap, while boasting about how great everything they do, is best, right, and the only way. I've got quite a few more years in the business than lonnie, worked with some big names. They think i know what i'm doing with sound and with what i use. I wouldn't knock what anyone uses, there may be reasons that i know nothing about and don't consider it respectable to tell one what they use is crap. I have heard great sound come out of the worst stuff with a good sound man behind them. Best advice i ever got was use what you know how to use or learn quickly on something new.

Again, my apology to anyone else i may have offended and for getting off the subject. I will try not to get my hackles up about these little comments and try to stick to the subject.

muzicman

[Lonman]

[quote=muzicman144;70693]

Originally Posted by Lonman

I apologize, no you weren't the one that said it could not be done. But that is the entire stupid argument, just because maybe he has never seen it done properly, I don't know. But to tell someone that can run a quality & efficient show with discs that he is wrong & the computer is much faster no matter what (which is his entire implication) is complete crap!


I did not say you were wrong, but, said i do believe the computer is faster. Done it both ways and know HOW to do it. I don't care how you do it!!!

That's your belief! I have done it both ways as well & yes discs CAN be faster if worked properly. They didn't work faster for you - ok! So be it!

Wouldn't matter, he would just bring it over there the first time I stated anything about discs.

Again, you give yourself to much credit. No need to follow anyone anywhere. Never intended on a pissing contest, I apologize to everyone else on this forum. just don't appreciate anyone telling me what i use is crap, while boasting about how great everything they do, is best, right, and the only way.

Well I never once said that anything anyone uses is crap, i'd like to see that quote. I also have never boasted about everything I do as being right or the best or the only way. I am arguing a point about the speed of discs vs the speed of computer. Not sure where you are getting everything else from, but you sure do like to put words & twist words around alot.

I've got quite a few more years in the business than lonnie, worked with some big names. They think i know what i'm doing with sound and with what i use. I wouldn't knock what anyone uses, there may be reasons that i know nothing about and don't consider it respectable to tell one what they use is crap. I have heard great sound come out of the worst stuff with a good sound man behind them. Best advice i ever got was use what you know how to use or learn quickly on something new.

Again NOT ONCE did I say anything about anyone using anything. I said the point that you keep arguing that it isn't even feasable that disc show run properly vs a computer show could be faster. THAT is crap.