Normalizing Songs

[gduns - with the Lord]

Ever wonder why they dont make a mixer with an automatic gain control on it? (normalizer)

It isnt hard to bring all audio up to a certain level, But if the audio level is extremly high, cliping is the only way to bring it down and that sounds bad. so they waould rather have quality over convienence.

[Wallymeister]

What do you do if the volume is louder than you wanted it when you change the station on your radio. You manually turn down the volume. Is that clipping. I don't think so. In this modern age of technology, why can't we automatically do that. If I remember right, that is what the Pioneer unit did. It detected that the level that I set the volume is this and would now lower or raise everything from that by manually turning the volume knob. My memory is a little vague now but I remember thinking at the time it was a pretty cool feature.

Of course that would only happen when I push the Volume leveling button.

Again, I'm just saying.......

[horseshoe]

Thanks for bringing back a good memory. I had one too, about 15 years ago. It would automatically turn the volume knob. It was fun to watch it change as I changed stations.

[gduns - with the Lord]

Originally Posted by Wallymeister

What do you do if the volume is louder than you wanted it when you change the station on your radio. You manually turn down the volume. Is that clipping. I don't think so. In this modern age of technology, why can't we automatically do that. If I remember right, that is what the Pioneer unit did. It detected that the level that I set the volume is this and would now lower or raise everything from that by manually turning the volume knob. My memory is a little vague now but I remember thinking at the time it was a pretty cool feature.

Of course that would only happen when I push the Volume leveling button.

Again, I'm just saying.......

I used to have a recorder with automatic level control, and it really sounded like crap. But that was 20 years ago, and they have progressed over the years. But you cant necessarily do anything with software you can do with electronic software.

[admin]

First, all you are remembering an ANALOG system as to the leveling control. It's a piece of cake to do a quality job of this in analog circuitry for peanuts cost.

Second, to do this at HIGH QUALITY in DIGITAL is another story. It requires both AGC (Automatic Gain Control) and Compression Limiting to make this work right.

THIRD... we are looking at enhancing Hoster to do llive effects. IF... and I do mean IF... we accomplish this without spending tens of thousands of $$$, we'll consider adding it. Then, we could add what you are talking about. However, will it work with Keychnage? Or recording and mixing? Or vocal reduction? Probably not unless you have a 3GHz processor with 2GB RAM, and maybe not even then.

Live effects is a very complex issue... especially on a $199 product!

As Forest Gump said; "That's all I gotta say about that."

[Skybird74]

What does Magnavox use on their TVs to keep the volume level when the commercials come on or when changing channels. Even the Magnavox we just bought last year has this feature. Can Hoster use that technology?

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

What does Magnavox use on their TVs to keep the volume level when the commercials come on or when changing channels. Even the Magnavox we just bought last year has this feature. Can Hoster use that technology?

Magnavox and others use a hardware limiter circuit not software so no it isn't possible. There are amplifiers with limiters built in.

[admin]

So far, the direction we were researching generates a 300ms delay for any effects. We're not happy with that. We have a LOT of features in Hoster 4.0 that are far easier (even more complex ones like Singers Database and Rotation Control) to implement so they are acceptable and useable.