rate of pay around the country.

[gotrich]

I thought that i was allowed up to ten systems with one disc. i also heard 5 systems I also heard that as long as I own the company all my system are legal. Now I know common sence plays a part here and say you can have 100 systems and 1 disk for all of em but I thought 5 was a good number. Then I would have to buy new disc for the next 5. I do everything as legal as possible but I spend 3000 on my sound system so I am not one of those 75 dollar a night guys with insurance and cost of repairs and payig my DJS I HAVE TO CHARGE at least 150

Also I have tried to get the burn coppies of my buddies cds and start my own business guys out of town..bar owners laugh..why would they care its no there music and they pay bmi and ascap so who cares.. and the DJs are living easy so why would they care.and when I called sound choice, and bmi etc... bmi and ascap said the dont go after the dj they go after the establishment. and sound chice got proof? how can I proove that except word of mouth?

[kilith]

Originally Posted by gotrich

I thought that i was allowed up to ten systems with one disc. i also heard 5 systems I also heard that as long as I own the company all my system are legal.

One 1 system per set of CDG's

Originally Posted by gotrich

Also I have tried to get the burn coppies of my buddies cds and start my own business guys out of town..bar owners laugh..why would they care its no there music and they pay bmi and ascap so who cares.. and the DJs are living easy so why would they care.and when I called sound choice, and bmi etc... bmi and ascap said the dont go after the dj they go after the establishment. and sound chice got proof? how can I proove that except word of mouth?

I would be careful... They are not going after the KJ's right because of homeland security and federal agents are not dealing with these type of issues at the moment. They have in the past gone after KJ's. Also like I said Sound Choice and them do not have to go after you. Your fellow KJ can sue you for illegal competition. So which is better? Run a legal system with the right ammount of CDG's? Or have someone come in and put you out of business by suing you? Also a way of proving someone have burned CDG's is very easy. Have a group of friends go up and sing... try and catch the KJ flipping through their CDG's (if they use them) and catch it in a picture. It is either us that clean up the illegal people or you join them and risk getting into a ton of trouble.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by kilith

One 1 system per set of CDG's

That is 1 operating system. We have 2 systems but only is doing a show at a time. If we ever have to do shows at once then we would need a second set of CDGs.

[kilith]

Well yeah in your case. As long as both systems are not used at the same time then you are fine. Heck you can even have the second one with you for backup just incase one crashes. What gotrich is doing wanting to copy his buddies CD's and then also running multi-copies on different computers of his orginal CDG's is illegal. Just copying his buddies CD's is bad since he would be using copied CDG's that he does not own himself

I do want to ask... who in their right mind told you that you can make upto 5 systems using 1 set of CDG's or even 100 systems? Also what does it matter if you own the company... You do not know Sound Choice, Panorama, Top Hits Monthly, Star Disk, or any other CDG company.... If you did own Sound Choice then there would be nothing we could say to you because you would be able to give yourself permission you run copies on different systems... but we all know you do not own the CDG companies So no just because you "own your company" does not mean your systems are legal to run off one set of CDG's. If that was the case I would after 12+ years have 10 systems... I just know there was no way in the world I could afford 12 sets of CDG's... I also know there would be no way to get 10 sets of DK Karaoke CDG's either anymore. So Gotrich... if yo are running illegal systems I would be careful... never know if someone that KJ's in the same place as you might not try and steal your shows by reporting you as a fraud at the bars you play in...

[gotrich]

I am not runing burned cds or anything like that I know people who are and I tried to turn them in bit no one cared. I tried to call laywers ans such,,again no one cared. I had no proof..even a photo could not be enough I was told.

I was asking about the cds being used on how many systems

[kilith]

Originally Posted by gotrich

I am not runing burned cds or anything like that I know people who are and I tried to turn them in bit no one cared. I tried to call laywers ans such,,again no one cared. I had no proof..even a photo could not be enough I was told.

I was asking about the cds being used on how many systems

Sorry I never ment to say you were using burned CDG's however you using your 1 set of CDG's on many computer systems is like using burned CDG's. It would be illegal for me to run my computer system and run my regular player system at the same time. Also when you went to the lawyers did you proclaim you want to sue for illegal compitition? If you took them to court for this THEY would have to prove to the court THEY are not doing illegal activities. You would not have to prove that they are. I guess you need to find the right kind of lawyer.

[SteveWalker]

Originally Posted by kilith

... I just know there was no way in the world I could afford 12 sets of CDG's.....

think of it as "business units" each one sustaining itself In reality, karaoke is a charitable no profit organization.

[kilith]

Originally Posted by SteveWalker

think of it as "business units" each one sustaining itself In reality, karaoke is a charitable no profit organization.

I believe that statement is untrue since I do know companies that have made a living and a good one by running karaoke. Aldo they ran legal systems all with orginal CDG's. Their books were not the same in any way and some systems were really crappy using only music mestro or SAV but however they still makde a living off of it.

[SteveWalker]

kilith,

I know many KJ's who have sustained their karaoke business since 1988 starting out with the laser discs. There are just too many KJ's who will work for $50-$75 a night which hurts the business. You will find the top people in ANY field who make the BIG money for what they do. There are many on this board who are doing this but they do not represent everyone. Just as in sales: the top 3% make 90% of the money. You've seen the ads in the paper that say you can make $120,000/year but the average guy will make $30,000.

[SteveWalker]

Originally Posted by gotrich

I thought that i was allowed up to ten systems with one disc. i also heard 5 systems I also heard that as long as I own the company all my system are legal. Now I know common sence plays a part here and say you can have 100 systems and 1 disk for all of em but I thought 5 was a good number. Then I would have to buy new disc for the next 5. I do everything as legal as possible