database rebuild didnt include edited songs

[bryant]

Beavis,
I think what you can do is to make a complete backup of the original computers kma folder to your backup HD although that usually takes several hours of waitin around!

[bryant]

Originally Posted by bryant

Beavis,
I think what you can do is to make a complete backup of the original computers kma folder to your backup HD although that usually takes several hours of waitin around!

that's prolly what I'll have to do. But it should seem that we should NOT have to back up 80 gigabytes of kma files every time we edit one or two songs

[gd123]

Q. Editing - What happens?
A. Header is changed, and, the Songs.MDB is Changed accordingly.

Q. Can I copy my EDITED KMAs to a Different Computer?
A. Yes. But, in order for Hoster to RECOGNIZE the EDITED KMAs on the BACKUP Computer, you MUST, ALSO, copy the "changed" SONGS.MDB.

Q. Why does the Songs.MDB need to be copied along with the Edited KMAs?
A. Because, when you do a SEARCH or ADD a Track to the PLAYLIST, Hoster populates the SEARCH Fields and the PLAYLIST with info FROM THE SONGS.MDB. (This is why you are NOT seeing the changes on the BACKUP Computer. The BACKUP Computer is ACCESSING the UNCHANGED SONGS.MDB)

Q. Well then, when does Hoster read the HEADER?
A. The HEADER is ONLY READ during a REBUILD.

Q. What if I have my KMAs in a DIFFERENT FOLDER on my Backup Computer?
A. Then simply copying your SONGS.MDB will not work. You MUST have your KMAs in the EXACT Folder on your BACKUP Computer as the FOLDER on the Computer you performed the EDITS.
Ex.: Edit Computer - KMAs located:
C:\Program Files\Micro Technology Unlimited\Hoster\Songs.

Then, your BACKUP Computer must have the SAME PATH.

Otherwise, you will need to EDIT the SONGS.MDB's "PATH" COLUMN to point to the DRIVE\FOLDER on the BACKUP Computer where your KMAs are located.

Or, if you are not familiar with editing the Songs.MDB, simply, REBUILD the DATABASE on the BACKUP Computer.

You need to use a File Utility Program that can perform a COMPARE FOLDER function. The COMPARE FOLDER will TAG all CHANGED files and ONLY SELECT those files to be copied to the BACKUP Computer. No need to copy the COMPLETE KMA Folder.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by gd123

Or, if you are not familiar with editing the Songs.MDB, simply, REBUILD the DATABASE on the BACKUP Computer.

This is what i did as explained in my second or third post. All the new discs I imported did have new "modified dates" on them, but apparaently edited kma's did not". So i know my backup hard drive when used on my backup computer still contains all the new kma's, i have used it often (as my main one ends up in shop) and all new files always make it over.

The path in the backup HD is the same as the main computer except for the "C" is replaced by"E"?

So now knowing this, can you please state in a few short steps EXACTLY what I must do.
Thank you very much.
Bryant

[admin]

Originally Posted by gd123

Q. Editing - What happens?
A. Header is changed, and, the Songs.MDB is Changed accordingly.

Q. Can I copy my EDITED KMAs to a Different Computer?
A. Yes. But, in order for Hoster to RECOGNIZE the EDITED KMAs on the BACKUP Computer, you MUST, ALSO, copy the "changed" SONGS.MDB.

Q. Why does the Songs.MDB need to be copied along with the Edited KMAs?
A. Because, when you do a SEARCH or ADD a Track to the PLAYLIST, Hoster populates the SEARCH Fields and the PLAYLIST with info FROM THE SONGS.MDB. (This is why you are NOT seeing the changes on the BACKUP Computer. The BACKUP Computer is ACCESSING the UNCHANGED SONGS.MDB)

Q. Well then, when does Hoster read the HEADER?
A. The HEADER is ONLY READ during a REBUILD.

Q. What if I have my KMAs in a DIFFERENT FOLDER on my Backup Computer?
A. Then simply copying your SONGS.MDB will not work. You MUST have your KMAs in the EXACT Folder on your BACKUP Computer as the FOLDER on the Computer you performed the EDITS.
Ex.: Edit Computer - KMAs located:
C:\Program Files\Micro Technology Unlimited\Hoster\Songs.

Then, your BACKUP Computer must have the SAME PATH.

Otherwise, you will need to EDIT the SONGS.MDB's "PATH" COLUMN to point to the DRIVE\FOLDER on the BACKUP Computer where your KMAs are located.

Or, if you are not familiar with editing the Songs.MDB, simply, REBUILD the DATABASE on the BACKUP Computer.

You need to use a File Utility Program that can perform a COMPARE FOLDER function. The COMPARE FOLDER will TAG all CHANGED files and ONLY SELECT those files to be copied to the BACKUP Computer. No need to copy the COMPLETE KMA Folder.

Excellent post! Welcome to our Forums.

Bryant, read the above and I think you will find a solultion, along with what Sam (Mindonstrike) just posted to you. If you manually copy the songs you edit over to your backup system, then rebuild the Song Database, all should work as expected.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by admin

Excellent post! Welcome to our Forums.

Bryant, read the above and I think you will find a solultion, along with what Sam (Mindonstrike) just posted to you. If you manually copy the songs you edit over to your backup system, then rebuild the Song Database, all should work as expected.

I see, but he was answering questions with questions and then offering alternatives on top of that.

I guess I need precisely what to do in 2 or 3 stated steps before I do anything. I just don't wanna lose any file data here.

And what about all those previously edited songs I did not take notice of before (I assumed they were being copied along with the newly added files,but they weren't).

[bryant]

What might of happened in the past as well, is either me or my g/f, during a show, would come home and say, " I edited a few songs that needed corrections" A week or so later, perhaps, I would add some songs, copy em over, rebuild the database on the backup laptop, and assume the edited ones were all in too, now we know they(the edits) never got in there

[admin]

You have edited files going back some time that there is no way to find them. Thus, the only option I see is:

1. Copy all your files to your second system.
2. Run Build Songs Database on the destination system

We'll see if there is something we can modify to make Edit Songs change the MODIFIED date.

[admin]

Originally Posted by bryant

Beavis,
I think what you can do is to make a complete backup of the original computers kma folder to your backup HD although that usually takes several hours of waitin around!

Yes, that is what I was going to post.

Study your backup software. There should be some way to make it behave and backup the modified files.

Humm.... try this. Note the MODIFIED DATE on a KMA file. Edit that file in Tools > Edit Songs and click the APPLY button to update the KMA Header. View the MODIFIED DATE on that KMA file again. If it is changed, then you have something to go on. If it is not changed, then we aren't updating the MODIFIED DATE. I tried it and the "Last Accessed" date changed, but not the Modified date. What do you all find?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by admin

Humm.... try this. Note the MODIFIED DATE on a KMA file. Edit that file in Tools > Edit Songs and click the APPLY button to update the KMA Header. View the MODIFIED DATE on that KMA file again. If it is changed, then you have something to go on. If it is not changed, then we aren't updating the MODIFIED DATE. I tried it and the "Last Accessed" date changed, but not the Modified date. What do you all find?

The modified dates were all unchanged on edited songs.
Therefore, backup programs or even windows will not sort them out as newly modified.