HELP NEEDED cda files ??

[jimbo]

Ron,
It is a multi-session disc made on the Pro-Burn system. Use Microstudio to import into BIN or CDG (Just don't do the last track). Then use Hoster to import from hard drive. This is the work-around.
Licensing through Pro-Burn (MCPS) requires us to make the cdg that way.

Jim

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by jimbo

Ron,
It is a multi-session disc made on the Pro-Burn system. Use Microstudio to import into BIN or CDG (Just don't do the last track). Then use Hoster to import from hard drive. This is the work-around.
Licensing through Pro-Burn (MCPS) requires us to make the cdg that way.

Jim

Jim,
That can't be the problem as Hoster handles multi-session discs just fine now. That work around was for earlier versions of Hoster and I know Ron is working with the later versions.

Ron what kind of drive are you using? There have been a lot of problems with the Plextor drives of late (last 2 versions of Hoster).

[jimbo]

OK. I just know I was getting the same problem. My drive is a plextor 12/10/32s. Yes, a very old drive, so maybe that is my problem.

Jim

[Ron Vermillion]

Ron,
It appears that the Disc on Demand system that we use puts some copy protection on the discs that are made. These are CDG files on the disc.
I am familiar with MTU's programs, including Hoster, Microstudio, and KHpro.
There is a way to get around the copy protection. There is no way for us not to put that protection on the CDG with our system however.

To bypass the copy protection - Use MTU's Microstudio program. Import the song from the CD to the hard drive. Import it in BIN or CDG format. Only select the songs you need. Do not select the last track. That is the Easy Karaoke track that is putting the copy protection on the CD. From there you will need to import to Hoster from the hard drive instead of the CD.

If you have any question, feel free to ask.

Jim

So now I have to go get acquanted with Microstudio. Do I have that on my Hoster CD ?

Ron

[jimbo]

Ron,
Please edit out the email address and phone number. I don't want to get spammed.

Jim

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by jimbo

Licensing through Pro-Burn (MCPS) requires us to make the cdg that way.

Jim, does this mean you have first hand knowledge of Pro-Burn? And who is MCPS? I tried to search for them but got no where.

Originally Posted by jimbo

OK. I just know I was getting the same problem. My drive is a plextor 12/10/32s. Yes, a very old drive, so maybe that is my problem.
Jim

Not necessarily your drive, but the program. Without trying to get into details, the problem is with the drive interface code within the program. Should be a fix out very soon for this. Read the News section on the main MTU website.

Originally Posted by Ron Vermillion

Ron,
It appears that the Disc on Demand system that we use puts some copy protection on the discs that are made. These are CDG files on the disc.
I am familiar with MTU's programs, including Hoster, Microstudio, and KHpro.
There is a way to get around the copy protection. There is no way for us not to put that protection on the CDG with our system however.

To bypass the copy protection - Use MTU's Microstudio program. Import the song from the CD to the hard drive. Import it in BIN or CDG format. Only select the songs you need. Do not select the last track. That is the Easy Karaoke track that is putting the copy protection on the CD. From there you will need to import to Hoster from the hard drive instead of the CD.

If you have any question, feel free to ask.

Jim Eberhard
Priddis Music
www.priddis.com

So now I have to go get acquanted with Microstudio. Do I have that on my Hoster CD ?

Ron

This is the same thing Jim was saying. It appears they use multi-session "protection" but if that was your problem you would be able to read the TOC and import all but the last song. In your case you can't even read the TOC.
No Microstudio isn't part of your Hoster CD. You would have to purchase it. The program isn't expensive, but if you can wait a week or so, the upgrade version of Hoster with the fix for the drives will be out and that won't cost you anything.

[jimbo]

Yes, I have first hand knowledge of Pro-Burn. I supply them with the music (Priddis tracks).
MCPS is the licensing agency which Pro-Burn uses to get the songs licensed for karaoke on the Pro-Burn system.

Pro-Burn is the system that is used to create the custom CDGs.


Jim
Priddis Music

[ddouglass]

The light just dawned So since their licensing is only through MCPS which is the British equivalent to ASCAP and BMI, does this mean only UK artist's songs are available?

[jimbo]

No. Just that licensing is paid through MCPS.

Jim

[MTUSUPPORT]

Ron V,
If you don't have the Microstudio software on your CD that was sent to you, please contact Doug at 919-870-0344 Ext 201. I know that he will get you a copy of it if you need it.

Thanks for all of your Input.

[ddouglass]

Bryan, please edit out Jim's E-mail address and phone number in this thread posts #17 & 19.

[Garry A. Leslie]

Hey Ron,
I assumed when I first joined this thread that you didn't have Microstudio that was why I suggested the change extensions ploy.
I tried it out it didn't work for me.
But what did work was to go into Media Player and rip off the CD to the hard drive, windows automatically exports to My Music.
I used a CDG which Windows doesn't recognize, but it does import the music only.
When you check it, it has been imported as a wma. only and Hoster will recognize these files.
I tried it and it worked.
Incidentally the black disc is used by some firms, haven't yet found that they play any differently.
Regards from across the pond.
Garry

[Ron Vermillion]

Jimbo,
I appreciate your response and had no idea that posting the entire message with your email addresses would be an issue. I must be really stupid I just spent an hour trying to figure out how to edit that post. I guess it's academic at this point as ddouglas has quoted me and now his post has the same information on it.

and back to the ranch, now I have to buy Microstudio to use your CD's which seems kind of odd since I thought I was purchasing CD's with CDG files on them I could use.

Drives, I do have about a year old USB Plextor CD/DVD/ DVD burner drive, it's downstairs and I don't have the model number, but I also have the drive in my HP Laptop. I have imported files with each of them without any problem as far as I know. Now, under Hoster my computer just cant see the Priddis CD in the drive.

I don't know if this will improve with Microstudio or not...I hope so.
Is there no way that you can just send me CD+G files like I thought I was purchasing?

Editing Revisited - Now I see that I can edit a current post but not after someone replies to it.

Well Crap!

Ron

Ron - Hoster Ver 3.1.??

[Ron Vermillion]

OKie Dokie - Now I'm a new Microstudio owner, so I have a brand new battle to fight. This is so easy.

Ron

[admin]

Originally Posted by Ron Vermillion

Editing Revisited - Now I see that I can edit a current post but not after someone replies to it.

Ron, many Internet Forums don't allow users to edit posts at all after they are submitted.

In the past we had users that would post a "flame" message, starting a flame war, then once it was raging they would delete everything out of their posts so no one could see they started it!

Today, MTU.Community allows editing a post up to 30 minutes after it is SUBMITTED. Someone posting below does not change the 30 minutes "edit window".

I suggest you use the PREVIEW button, which shows you exactly what your post will look like without submitting it yet. You can edit-preview-edit-preview until you like it, then click SUBMIT REPLY. I do this on every post to insure it 1) looks like I want it to, and 2) it communicates what I "think" I am writing.

General rule of thumb, don't ever post your or anyone else's email or phone in a Forum.

Even when you QUOTE a prior post, you can edit out parts you don't want. I do that to respect others time.

[Ron Vermillion]

Just wanted to report that the work around of importing all the tracks off the Priddis CD except the last track with Microstudio as CDG files worked just fine. Once I got the hang of naming the tracks with markers so the import utility could read them "Go Baby Go#The Go Babies.cdg" then everything worked fine.

Also would like to thank Priddis for the dynamite sound and professional level recordings that these tracks provide. I had been more or less just goofing around learning how to do all this with some cheapo CDG's and the Priddis tracks are remarkably better quality. It sounds like the neighborhood buddies went home and a Nashville studio band stepped in when you go from one of my old tracks to one of these Priddis Pro Sound tracks.

I'm still not wild about the idea that you have to run a utility to get the tracks out from under the protection scheme and get them into Hoster - perhaps that can be built into the newer Hoster programs in time, but I appreciate the information on how to do it, and want to say that it works really slick.

Back to woodsheading.....

Ron

[Ron Vermillion]

Thanks for the tip. Just a stupid move on my account. Note that you took the information out of my Post Number 17 but you left it in the quote of my post on Post Number 19. When you get a chance would you also clean that mess I caused up as well.

So I guess that after 30 minutes what you said is sorta like being under oath with a court reporter. It a permanent record.

I copied a very usefull email into my message, but didn't have enough smarts to leave out his email address - my fault entirely. I didn't even try to edit it out until the next day when I was asked to. The 30 minute rule got me, but it would have got me anyway.

Thanks again.

Ron

[admin]

Originally Posted by Ron Vermillion

I'm still not wild about the idea that you have to run a utility to get the tracks out from under the protection scheme and get them into Hoster - perhaps that can be built into the newer Hoster programs in time, but I appreciate the information on how to do it, and want to say that it works really slick.

You have no idea how hard it is to "after the fact" try to decode what various producers are doing for protection, or to provide new features on a CDG format disc.

Microstudio 2.613 is still using our older technology that imports from the drives in a different way than Hoster 3.310+ uses. Know that we are constantly engineering better ways to improve the quality of our imported tracks.

Originally Posted by Ron Vermillion

Thanks for the tip. Just a stupid move on my account. Note that you took the information out of my Post Number 17 but you left it in the quote of my post on Post Number 19. When you get a chance would you also clean that mess I caused up as well.

I fixed #19. I regret to say that I DID look for email and phone and missed them! Just goes to show that ALL of us have to work at this, so don't fee alone.

Originally Posted by Ron Vermillion

I copied a very usefull email into my message, but didn't have enough smarts to leave out his email address - my fault entirely. I didn't even try to edit it out until the next day when I was asked to. The 30 minute rule got me, but it would have got me anyway.

You can always ask me or MTUSUPPORT to edit something for you. We can fix anything for you.