Hoster Upgrade from 4.09b->4.11

[seawolf]

Installed 4.11; discovered that lyrics were lagging behind music, so corrected so that they were in sync. However, after the changes were made, when the selections are keyed up or down, the music has a pulsating sound, sort of a short break ever couple of seconds and the lyrics occasionally are out of sync again.
In order to do our shows, we have reverted to the 3.4 version which gets us through, but we want to use the new version, obviously because of the new features.

Anybody else experienced these phenomen?

Windows XP; 500gb drive; 4gb ram, done all the disabling suggested.

[billyo]

Originally Posted by seawolf

Installed 4.11; discovered that lyrics were lagging behind music, so corrected so that they were in sync. However, after the changes were made, when the selections are keyed up or down, the music has a pulsating sound, sort of a short break ever couple of seconds and the lyrics occasionally are out of sync again.
In order to do our shows, we have reverted to the 3.4 version which gets us through, but we want to use the new version, obviously because of the new features.

Anybody else experienced these phenomen?

Windows XP; 500gb drive; 4gb ram, done all the disabling suggested.

just got a call from a friend of mine and she's having the same problem, and also she was saying that it won't let her change keys, i kinda suggested to click on a song on a playlist and change the keys before playing the song and that worked, but like you said music comes out bad..

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by seawolf

Installed 4.11; discovered that lyrics were lagging behind music, so corrected so that they were in sync. However, after the changes were made, when the selections are keyed up or down, the music has a pulsating sound, sort of a short break ever couple of seconds and the lyrics occasionally are out of sync again.
In order to do our shows, we have reverted to the 3.4 version which gets us through, but we want to use the new version, obviously because of the new features.

Anybody else experienced these phenomen?

Windows XP; 500gb drive; 4gb ram, done all the disabling suggested.

I have checked and have not heard this. The only thing I notice is a small bit of warbling if I change it on the fly.
You mention you have disabled everything suggested. Have you done the Custom Updates from Microsoft lately? That is also one of the items.
The only other thing I can say at this point is go to Blackviper.com and see what else they can offer as suggested to be turned off. You didn't mention your processor speed so don't know what else to tell you right now.

[Beavis]

what about the video card ?

[seawolf]

Latest Nvidia drivers installed & checked. Even restored old driver---same results.

DC

[ddouglass]

That maybe the problem. A lot of users have discovered that the latest drivers for the Nvidia don't work right. You may need to look for some of the older (more simplified?) drivers and see if they work better.
Jim Seargent discovered that he had to set the Nvidia card to full screen to get it to behave.

[seawolf]

Thanks, Dale...
As I think I mentioned, I rolled back the drivers to the original that was shipped with the machine...still have the pulsations in the audio.

I have always run the show using monitor 2 in full screen and the laptop (monitor 1) in a window. I like to use Excel to keep track of the rotation order, but I shall try Hoster in full screen.

Perhaps you know---is there some sort of interaction between the Nvidia video card and the Conextant HD sound card? I can't find any info on the net.

DC

[ddouglass]

I don't think that was quite what Jim meant by full screen. I don't have my computer with the Nvidia, so I can't look at the settings for sure. But I do know he wasn't referring to running the programs at full screen.

You stated you had the latest drivers install so that is why I mentioned it. Even the original drivers may cause problems. You may have to try several to find the one that works right.

You could try changing the DirectX acceleration and see if that will solve the initial sync problem. To do this go to Start/Run and type in DXDIAG. This will open a utilty where you can lower the amount of acceleration.

I don't know why keying up or down would be any different from normal play. All that does is shift the tone up or down and does have anything with the speed (tempo?) or sync.

[seawolf]

There are only 3 driver dates for the Nvidia card I have. The original works fine, the latest works fine, the middle one won't install so is not an issue. All of the video functions are OK in both driver sets.

In re: Direct X accelleration--it is disabled per MTU suggestions.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the sound issue rests in the WMP, since that is what is being used for the audio. I think I will try to uninstall WMP 11 with all of its service changes and go back to WMP 10 to see if it will work.

DC

[dspins]

Originally Posted by seawolf

Installed 4.11; discovered that lyrics were lagging behind music, so corrected so that they were in sync. However, after the changes were made, when the selections are keyed up or down, the music has a pulsating sound, sort of a short break ever couple of seconds and the lyrics occasionally are out of sync again.
In order to do our shows, we have reverted to the 3.4 version which gets us through, but we want to use the new version, obviously because of the new features.

Anybody else experienced these phenomen?

Windows XP; 500gb drive; 4gb ram, done all the disabling suggested.

Yes, I Just recently upgraded as well, and am suffering from more headaches. Lagging lyrics, long pauses when you hit the play and stop buttons now, and changing pitch is something i try to steer people away from doing on songs.

I have to wonder if things were changed in hoster to try and help people getting new windows 7 and it is making it run worse for old XP Pro users. Hopefully when they make the next release they can find some way to keep in the good things they added, without the all the lag and pauses that never used to be there. *Fingers crossed*

[ddouglass]

Depending on what version you have upgraded from Hoster with all the new features uses a lot more resources.
I have several (5) systems, all with XP and only one has more than 2 GB of Ram, but all have the fastest processors I could get at the time. The only thing I have ever had any problems with that caused any slowdown is using the visualizations. This does require a lot of memory for some reason and that is from WMP. I have not had any sync problems except during some of the early beta testing and that was fixed before release.
Version 4.11 was not changed for Windows 7 at all. The only thing they did was to test it on Vista and Windows 7 to make sure it would run. No adjustments were made for either of these. The recommendation for amount of RAM for Vista and of course Windows 7 was increased, but nothing else was added.
I think you will find that all you really need is to tweak your systems until you get it working. The best place to do that is at Blackviper.com. They have all kinds of recommendations for all three operating systems to help speed up your system.
I have also found that a good system clean-up program like System Mechanic helps a lot too by cleaning up the registry, drives and a lot of other things. This greatly helped me gat my oldest, most used system back into shape to be able to test on it.

[bowfishn]

I was having problems with keying up, did not matter if I changed it at song start or before song was added. It faded in and out with alot of clicking noise and it seemed to speed up and down. CPU usage was next to nothing while playing song as well as very low mem usage. Loaded back in the 4.09d and it works just fine again, I will wait till the problem gets straightened out before using the upgrade with the new features.
I did not try the upgrade with my other 2 Rack mounts or with the 3 laptops, the rackmounts are identical builds so it would lead me to believe they would have the same problem, not sure about the laptops.
I like some of the new features but like I said I will wait.

[ddouglass]

Try the laptops. My guess is they will probably work if they are not too old and under powered. You can always go back if it doesn't work.
Do you have any of the sound card programs running such as the equalizer or EAC? These may be interfering.

[bowfishn]

Same problem with the laptops, problem went away when I loaded back in the 4.09d.
My rackmounts have never had a problem handleing any of the MTU programs.(they tend to work better than the newer laptops)
PCDJ Red VRM on the other hand seems to use up alot of its resources, high CPU usage, but as I stated Hoster barely uses any of the CPU when running and very little of the Mem.

The rackmounts are as follows:
Windows XP Home Sp3
BioStar P4M80M4 Motherboard
Intel Pentium 4 3.0 Prescott 3.0GHz 1MB L2 Cache
WD Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
M Audio Delta 1010LT PCI Audio Interface
SAPPHIRE Radeon X1650PRO 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP
2 GB Ram (2-1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400)
Plextor PX716A
Plextor PX708A

[bowfishn]

Found the problem, I had never upgraded to WMP 11 , never liked that version, guess what, it's needed to opperate the new 4.11. Key change sounds great now. Will upgrade the other units after I install WMP 11.

I would like to add that the Key changer sounds better than it ever has, maybe I needed to upgrade WMP before now.

[ddouglass]

Just install it (WMP 11) and don't open it. This will work and won't install all the garbage that goes with it. That way WMP doesn't add to the load on the resources.
Glad you found the problem.