Converted files causing hoster not to respond

[marklwood]

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[marklwood]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Marklwood

I did what you said I unzipped the file, 1 mp3s and one cdg file. I went to K-oke tab and opened the unzipped file. Only the mp3 file showed up at this point..because of the extension. I click on it to open it loaded in my play list and played. So now if I want to import these files what is going to ahve to be done?

Thanks Mark

That was my next choice. But not all of them. Just do a few and see if this solves the problem first. We are just narrowing down the variables. Once we figure out what will/won't work, we can limit the options.

[Skybird74]

MrMark -
Some of your questions are explained, in detail, in the Manual, saving a lot of space here on the Forum, especially about Vista. Yes, it's a lot of reading, but in the long run it will save you a lot of headaches. Believe me, we all understand your frustration (been there, done that)

Have you tried using "Songverter" to convert your Zip files to mp3G or bin format before importing to Hoster? When first learning about zip files to save space in order to save my old CDGs on my hard drive, I did not understand that all zip programs are not created equal. I discovered that the compression ratio varies depending on the program that was used. So, I had the same problem when first importing zips into Hoster. It's an extra step & yes it is time consuming. However, once I used Sonverter first & then imported the converted files into Hoster, I got cleaner more useable kma song files (good graphics, etc.).

I hope this helps!

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Skybird74

why the haste? I understand what Jim wrote and I did what everyone said and yes the were converted in the files...what other way would hoster import mp3g zip and yes I understand there are two files in a zip...one is the MP3 and the other is the graphics....as I stated they show up in the folder they show up in the play list......I do slow down and read....geez...

MrMark,
In order to recieve help on this forum, you must to let us know that you "understand" these things, we are not mind readers. Sky and the rest of us are just trying to help.

Marklwood and Sky are giving you good advise. If you will run some tests, you should be able to locate where the problem is occuring.

Jim

[MrMark]

Originally Posted by Skybird74

MrMark -
Some of your questions are explained, in detail, in the Manual, saving a lot of space here on the Forum, especially about Vista. Yes, it's a lot of reading, but in the long run it will save you a lot of headaches. Believe me, we all understand your frustration (been there, done that)

Have you tried using "Songverter" to convert your Zip files to mp3G or bin format before importing to Hoster? When first learning about zip files to save space in order to save my old CDGs on my hard drive, I did not understand that all zip programs are not created equal. I discovered that the compression ratio varies depending on the program that was used. So, I had the same problem when first importing zips into Hoster. It's an extra step & yes it is time consuming. However, once I used Sonverter first & then imported the converted files into Hoster, I got cleaner more useable kma song files (good graphics, etc.).

I hope this helps!

Frustration has overwhelmed me . Each folder is a disc with the average tracks in them. each track is a zip file. I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?
And then will it be easy to import? Thanks for the help.
Mark

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Frustration has overwhelmed me . Each folder is a disc with the average tracks in them. each track is a zip file. I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?
And then will it be easy to import? Thanks for the help.
Mark

We still don't know that this will fix it. You could spend a lot of time/money converting all these just for it to happen again. I know it seems like it takes a lot of time, but you have to narrow down the problem before you can find a solution.

I have to go take care of business right now, but I will check back on you.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Frustration has overwhelmed me .

We've all been there Mark, it's all good.

Each folder is a disc with the average tracks in them. each track is a zip file. I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?

This is right off of the MTU main web page about Songverter:

"File format converter that changes any of these audio or karaoke file formats into any of the same formats; KMA, BIN, ZIP, MP3+G, WMA+G, WAV+G or into audio MP3, WMA or WAV without lyrics. Also converts audio files to CD+G formats with blank lyrics"


And then will it be easy to import? Thanks for the help.

Any file that Sonverter converts will be ready to import into Hoster.


Mark

I agree with Marklwood that some testing would be very useful.


Jim

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Frustration has overwhelmed me . Each folder is a disc with the average tracks in them. each track is a zip file. I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?
And then will it be easy to import? Thanks for the help.
Mark

Before you become more overwhelmed, do this TEST. Find the files that have been giving you the problems - take just those songs & use Songerverter to convert them and put them in a separate folder (maybe name it "Test files"). Then import those files only into Hoster & then try to play them. This will give you a better idea of what you're working with.
P.S. I recommend converting to either mp3G or bin format prior to importing into Hoster. (MP3G is the most usable format that can be used by other programs, just in case you've been testing others also.)

HOSTER IS THE BEST!!!!!

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by MrMark

Frustration has overwhelmed me . Each folder is a disc with the average tracks in them. each track is a zip file. I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?
And then will it be easy to import? Thanks for the help.
Mark

To answer your question, that everyone seems to be skipping over. The zip file contains two files, a MP3 file and a CDG file. The problem with zip files is there are many different ways that the zipping programs use to compress and rewrite the files you are zipping. Even though Hoster has been worked and reworked to accommodate all of the different formats MTU knew about. However they could not get them all into Hoster which is why some people run into problems with them.
Your best bet in this case since these are normal MP3+G files taht are zipped is to use Songverter to convert them from MP3G Zipped to MP3G. This means all Songverter will do in this case is extract the files from the zip.
Since taking one song, unzipping it, and temporarily importing it with the K-oke button worked then I would say that if you were to use Songverter and do a few disks worth and re-import them from those that they should work too. If that works then go ahead with the rest of them.

Originally Posted by MrMark

While I was importing the zip files in the begining before I originally started my posts....I was noticing that hoster/vista were replacing the impoted file to a disc number that was already being used...So I went to the folder and these discs were missing....so I went to the xp computer and checked the files and they were still intacted...I noticed in knowledge base that vista sometime hides/deletes files???

I am not sure what exactly you are saying here. Do you mean BookID instead of DiskID?
Vista will only hide files if you put them in locations that it does not like, such as in the Program Files area or the Documents and Settings area.

[Skybird74]

[quote=ddouglass;84032]To answer your question, that everyone seems to be skipping over. The zip file contains two files, a MP3 file and a CDG file. The problem with zip files is there are many different ways that the zipping programs use to compress and rewrite the files you are zipping. Even though Hoster has been worked and reworked to accommodate all of the different formats MTU knew about. However they could not get them all into Hoster which is why some people run into problems with them.
Your best bet in this case since these are normal MP3+G files taht are zipped is to use Songverter to convert them from MP3G Zipped to MP3G. This means all Songverter will do in this case is extract the files from the zip.
Since taking one song, unzipping it, and temporarily importing it with the K-oke button worked then I would say that if you were to use Songverter and do a few disks worth and re-import them from those that they should work too. If that works then go ahead with the rest of them.

Dale, no offense, but I believe that's the same thing I told him this afternoon - to use Songerverter to convert to MP3G and then import to Hoster, because of all the different zip programs out there. (see my post just before yours) I also suggested that he test a few files with Songverter first before doing the rest.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by Skybird74;[COLOR=black

84038] [/color]Dale, no offense, but I believe that's the same thing I told him this afternoon - to use Songerverter to convert to MP3G and then import to Hoster, because of all the different zip programs out there. (see my post just before yours) I also suggested that he test a few files with Songverter first before doing the rest.

The question I was answering ("I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?) Had not been explained. So I went into the details of it for him. Yes, I repeated what you had said also, but prefaced by the answer he was looking for. Sorry if you feel I stepped on your toes.

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by MrMark

While I was importing the zip files in the begining before I originally started my posts....I was noticing that hoster/vista were replacing the imported file to a disc number that was already being used...So I went to the folder and these discs were missing....so I went to the xp computer and checked the files and they were still intacted...I noticed in knowledge base that vista sometime hides/deletes files???

This is what you guys are missing. Please just slow down a little and let's make sure that there is not something else going on.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by marklwood

This is what you guys are missing. Please just slow down a little and let's make sure that there is not something else going on.

Mark, I did ask him about this. I do not know whether he means DiskID or BookID which would be two totally different problems.

[Skybird74]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

The question I was answering ("I thought these were mp3g but only in a zip file. Does songverter take the zip file and make into a normal mp3 file?) Had not been explained. So I went into the details of it for him. Yes, I repeated what you had said also, but prefaced by the answer he was looking for. Sorry if you feel I stepped on your toes.

Sorry about that.... at the time I really thought he was only referring to mp3g and not mp3. I was in a hurry this afternoon & should have re-read everything he was asking, before answering, so I skipped right over that part. Thanks!

[marklwood]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

I do not know whether he means DiskID or BookID which would be two totally different problems.

Yeah, I was waiting for an answer to that too. I just don't want him to waste time if it is not a ZIP problem.

[MrMark]

Thanks for all the help people, I am going to try songverter and see what happens, Apparently Vista doenst like my zip files or hoster doesnt have the correct conversion for it.....no problem....like I said in the past this is for home system only and not my dj system,,,so no hurry. As I mentioned earlier....When I went to import songs through hoster using Vista...as I was importing the import screen gives you the next number that the files will be found under....I coulndn't understand why I has discs missing in my folder under Vista...the same files on XP were still intact. Something happend through Vista when I copied these files to Vista? But all in all I really appreciate what everyone has said. I have learned much more by this. Keep up the good work

God Bless

Mark

[ddouglass]

After you copied those original files over did you rebuild the database? If not then that is why Hoster has used those BookIDs to import the files with.

[Doug Bracey]

Has anyone had any problems with nikkodo cdg kma files playing correctly on the new 4.05?
I used the new 4.05 for the first time on the job last night.
And right away I noticed that any of my sav series or co series on nikkodo cdgs brand kma's were all garbeled up on the initial song title but once the song continued to the words they popped up fine and sounded fine but when the song ended the ending titles were all garbeled up again.
I tried the same thing on 3.40 and all the other versions of hoster and no problems.
These are kma files that i have been using every since I've been using hoster and never had a problem until 4.05.
I even did a song database rebuild but it didn't help.
I have a message in to bryan at mtu but I thought i would see if anyone else had a problem like this.
And it only occurs on the nikkodo brand not any others like soundchoice or chartbuster or pop hits etc.


Thanks Doug Bracey dba "Sounds of Variety" Jax. Fla.

[madjim- with the Lord]

Hey Doug,
What you are seeing is a known bug. If it freaks your singers out seeing garbage instead of what they normally see, use 3.40 to run these tracks.

4.05 and 3.40 will run side by side. The way I would do it is put a link to 3.40 on my desktop. Run the show with 4.05. When I see one of the trouble tracks is coming up, I'd open 3.40, park (minimize) 4.05 (after it stoped) and run the track in 3.40 then switch back to 4.05.

I have never had to use 3.40 so you may want to work with the two at the house to get a good feel of how they work together. I do know they run side by side, I tested that when 3.40 was added.

Where do you do your shows in J-ville? I'll swing up if I get a free weekend.

Jim

[billyo]

I have the same problem ( not a big deal ) garbled artist and song title only stays a mil of a sec. anyway. song title shows at the bottom of the playlist anyway..