upgrade

[edmcgeemusic]

I understand there is a new version coming out.
1. If you purchase it now, is there a free upgrade to the new version?
2. Is there a two system license so you can put a second copy on your backup computer.(gotta have backups )

thanks for the help.

eddie

[admin]

If you purchase the Hoster2100n part for $249.95, which only MTU Sales can order for you at this time, you will now receive 2.014, and then receive 2.121 (expected release version) when it is released. We are very close. We hope to have the final beta version out for testing tomorrow AM.

We do not have a 2-copy special. You would need to purchase 2 separate copies.

However, we understand the need for a backup of the same version. Thus, we are working on a way to allow you to transfer your Hoster to another computer if you ever need to. Your prior installed copy (theoretically on the failed computer) will cease to run in 15 days. We are working on this right now.

ADMIN NOTE: You can now (mid February 2004) install Hoster on 2 computers
for SHOW and BACKUP. You can also install Karaoke Home Producer on 2 computers for use.

[sevekj]

I am currently importing my CD's to hoster in a machine I am installing at the Lounge where I have a seven day a week show at, I do not anticipate removing my computer from that location unless it breaks which I hope does never happen, but I know someday It will or could next week. I have spent nearly a month importing and I never want to do it again, so I will be making a backup of the music and data base which I find to be difficult to manipulate with my current skills. I have a computer at home that I wish Hoster would work in so that I could maintain and correct and backup stuff without having to disturb the "working Hoster computer", by that I mean having to remove the NIC adapter and install it on the other computer just to get hoster to work. I wish you could write into the program a date sensative trip mechanism that would render the program useless to each end user specific to each end user with the agreement that they would have to access the internet by a certain date and enter the appropriate code to recertify for another extended period. Never mind all of this I don't know what I am talking about I was just trying to lay down an Idea. I need two computers for hoster to work on, one for the show and one to do maintainance with, and in the future If I do decide to invest more in MTU and get another hoster for my home computer, I want my music to remain interchangeable between the two computers, I was reading one of the threads that sounded like this may become a problem due to your security enforcement efforts in your program. Which I applaude but it makes it difficult to do what I am talking about doing with my situation, I think I would not be the only one with this dilemna.
Ideas Please,

Seve

[flipper]

sevekj

If you need to secure a backup of your music why not purchase an external Hard Drive with sufficient storage space to back up your entire library. Then purchase a second copy of Hoster for your home computer. You will have your backup needs met as well as being able to work with your database at home.

Flipper

[edmcgeemusic]

I have to say it is odd that your microstudio has a license for three machines, and hoster does not. Also, an other karaoke software company will let you load it on your main computer, your back up and your home computer.

just a thought.


eddie

[admin]

Originally posted by sevekj
I am currently importing my CD's to hoster in a machine I am installing at the Lounge where I have a seven day a week show at, I do not anticipate removing my computer from that location unless it breaks which I hope does never happen, but I know someday It will or could next week. I have spent nearly a month importing and I never want to do it again, so I will be making a backup of the music and data base which I find to be difficult to manipulate with my current skills. I have a computer at home that I wish Hoster would work in so that I could maintain and correct and backup stuff without having to disturb the "working Hoster computer", by that I mean having to remove the NIC adapter and install it on the other computer just to get hoster to work. I wish you could write into the program a date sensative trip mechanism that would render the program useless to each end user specific to each end user with the agreement that they would have to access the internet by a certain date and enter the appropriate code to recertify for another extended period. Never mind all of this I don't know what I am talking about I was just trying to lay down an Idea. I need two computers for hoster to work on, one for the show and one to do maintainance with, and in the future If I do decide to invest more in MTU and get another hoster for my home computer, I want my music to remain interchangeable between the two computers, I was reading one of the threads that sounded like this may become a problem due to your security enforcement efforts in your program. Which I applaude but it makes it difficult to do what I am talking about doing with my situation, I think I would not be the only one with this dilemna.
Ideas Please,

Seve

There are reasons we are securing each copy of Hoster in use.

We are considering all user "scenerios" of Hoster. However, you have a "legal" use, while we must insure the Crack site posters can't break our security and put us out of business.

To the poster above, Microstudio is NOT Hoster. They will never have the same feature set and Hoster's future is VERY different than Microstudio's. One day, there will be no more CDG discs!

[sevekj]

Originally posted by flipper
sevekj

If you need to secure a backup of your music why not purchase an external Hard Drive with sufficient storage space to back up your entire library. Then purchase a second copy of Hoster for your home computer. You will have your backup needs met as well as being able to work with your database at home.

Flipper

I figure it this way, I already paid for the program, why can't I use it as I want to as long as I am not selling it or making illegal copies or giving up a registration code. I just want MY machines to work.
Here is an analogy. I would not go out and buy an Identical vehical to the one I already have, since I can only drive one at a time, plus having the expense of 2 identical cars, it is not sensible.
I know there is an agreement here on this program, I am just asking for a little leeway, maybe a 2 machine limit with one low price, I would think most pro KJ's would agree, they need to preview and maintain their collections without disturbing the working rig am I right and can we get some consensus on this subject.

Thanks for the tip and responses.

Seve

[edmcgeemusic]

I agree. We really need a two license agreement.

The honest customer is the one who suffers from all this theft protection.


eddie

[mlepine]

Originally posted by flipper
sevekj

If you need to secure a backup of your music why not purchase an external Hard Drive with sufficient storage space to back up your entire library. Then purchase a second copy of Hoster for your home computer. You will have your backup needs met as well as being able to work with your database at home.

Flipper

I may also suggest, if you're using the new Plextor DVD burner you might want to burn your file on a DVD? With 4.7 gig of space that should handle a bunch of songs!

You can now buy an external USB 2 box that you could use to install an internal HD or a CD-Rom/DVD drive.

Regards

[mgrowolski]

I agree to that there should be a two licence agreement at least that ay we will have a complete back up on a second hard drive should the system fail for some reason so come MTU be fair and offer a second licence at a cheaper rate for us honest enough to buy your software in the first place

[gduns - with the Lord]

mgrowolski ,
You are absolutely right, for $500.00 they probably will grant a 2 license agreement.

Call Microsoft and tell the you think you should have a 2 license agreement on xp, or autocad, or microstation, Pcdj, pckj.........

They love to laugh at people trying to get something for nothing.

If you were a carpenter....... would you built 2 houses for someone that only lives in one at a time. a summer house and a winter house.

I am not mtu or speaking for Mtu but I work with programming everyday. Most people think of software as a plastic Disk and as serial number. and Yes after it is produced that is what it is unless someone it continually trying to improve it and add the new features someone wants added.

Programmers arent cheap, and Not being in the business you can't even Imagine the expense that goes into a program like this. If you noticed this program used to sell for $450.00....... they reduced the price dramatically after they recapped their costs (can you see microsoft doing that).

Do you really expect a free copy of a product, a company has cut the price in half, get real

[mgrowolski]

GDUNS
Hey now come on I was not asking for a free second licence only trying to see if they would give a discount on a second one that's all. And yes I do know what programmers cost these days my brother is one.
As for microsoft well they do a free second licence for XP that allows you to put it on two machines you really must get your facts in order still thank you for your kind comments I really appreciate them and I hope that you feel my reply is not to cutting just stating facts [

[gduns - with the Lord]

Mike,
Please tell me how to get two more free licenses for xp I have it on 2 computers (2 separate licenses)and would love to put it on the other 2.

I tried that with the first one, and they told me I would have to buy another copy..

KInda makes me think.... I have a blazer, Think chevy would give me another blazer at half off heck I can't drive but one at a time

[gduns - with the Lord]

mgrowolski,

Sorry if I was sounding Brash on this, But most people dont think of software as a real commodity. they think of it as someones idea's that just appeared on day, and they are selling it.

Fact is it cost's as much in some cases to build a good program as it does to create any good product. Most people look at it and music as far as that is concerned, like something that is insignificant.

I have been doing beta testing for hoster, for a while now, and believe me there is not a harder working bunch That I have ever met. They dont stop after 9-5 on weekdays, I have tested 3 diffrent versions on a weekend.

There is a lot of work going into hoster, don't every think this was written overnight. Frankly I dont know how they sell it so cheep!

The competition isnt as inexpensive, it doesnt do what hoster does and at this point is very buggy. The reason thet MTU is taking its time to get out this new version, is because they will NOT release it with a known BUG. Something I dont think anyone else does.

[admin]

Originally posted by mgrowolski
I agree to that there should be a two licence agreement at least that ay we will have a complete back up on a second hard drive should the system fail for some reason so come MTU be fair and offer a second licence at a cheaper rate for us honest enough to buy your software in the first place

In spite of your "honest" thinking, you have overlooked a VERY IMPORTANT point. We have MANY users who want to run multiple copies for different shows at the same time! Thus, it is not possible to simply offer your request.

Afterall, the name HOSTER was chosen to indicate the product is for... professional Hosts! We will not discount multiple copies. If you need to run multiple copies, you need to buy multiple copies.

As soon as we release 2.124, hopefully to final testing today, we will start on a way to run your Registration Code and Hoster on a second machine for 15 days, when your show computer fails. This is the way we are going to solve the failure problem.

We have future plans that would also reveal that your request is infeasible. Trust us. We absolutely need and WANT your feedback as to your needs... and the reasoning behind your request. However, please do not expect us to always implement your suggestion. Suggestions are always listened to, and evaluated. Many times we have done exactly what a single user has suggested.

However, in the case of Hoster and failure backup, this is a VERY complex subject. Foremost, you MUST be able to use the same Registration Code or future plans will fail. We will have a solution in Hoster 2.2 or 2.3, which will follow 2.1 rather quickly. Heck, we're tired of all this security too! We want to get on with other major features.

[Beavis]

how about a .KMA conversion tool to import cd-g (that would run on any computer) ??


Then i could do all the converting to .kma on my office computer, then network it down to my karaoke computer ??

This will also give me a backup copy of my .kma files in case my hard drive fails???


trust me hard drives do fail !! my register system hard drive failed on a friday night at 9pm (packed house)

[gduns - with the Lord]

I suggest 2 things, I build industrial computers and see problems all day long.

1) buy a usb hard drive and copy all your kma files to it for a backup.

2) Keep as small c: (system drive with nothing but an os, and your programs on it.

3) get Norton Ghost 2003 and make an image of your c: drive to your d: drive.

If you do this, and the system drive fails, you can reimage your hard drive and be back up in less than 10 minutes.

I would make a backup on a weekly basis, it takes me 10-15 minutes to do this.

This will insure you, not to miss a gig. I even keep a copy of the backup on the usb drice in case the D: drive fails.

I thought you were the one that posted in another thread talking about how great your promise raid system was? did it fail

[kedmison]

This suggestion is sort of created from several. One, offer Hoster with or without the data base. I think I saw somewhere that the Hoster program is not that big in itself. I for one don't need the data base. Second, I wouldn't mind if Hoster didn't play patrons CD's,...AS, long as you could make Micro Studio with a key change and be able to switch back and forth between Hoster and Micro Studio without Micro Studio cutting off.

The only problem I have ever encountered with Hoster is when playing patrons discs. Sometimes it will sometimes it won't. However very few times has their disc not played in Micro Studio. Maybe the new upgrade will take care of this.

Kelly

[gduns - with the Lord]

the only patrons disks I havent been able to play is one that is badly scratched, has mediaclog, or the last track on a multisession disk.

Microstudio will also not play a mediaclog, or a badly scratched disk.

I have a cdg player with a videoswitch, because #1 I wont put a badly scratched disk in my plextor. and 2 it will play anything. and if there is a catastrophic failure, you can finish your show.

I don't see where the size of hoster would make any difference in how it works.

[kedmison]

I agree. I have found badly scratched discs won't play period. I suppose what I was referring to or at least thinking was that without the data base issues that maybe there would be even less problems with Hoster that there is. Of course mind you I haven't had any real problems. (And I cringe evry time I say that or find wood to nock on.)

Kelly