CDR-DVD Burner, 18x IDE internal mount CDG Certified

[dcrog]

This was shipped to me on Nov. 5, 07. On Dec. 2 I bought the Microstudio program.

What would cause it to read the CDG's correctly but the burning is hit or miss? When I say hit or miss when you burn a disc sometimes the title screen will not show on the track. Some tracks will burn one time and not be readable the next time you try to make a back up of the disc.

If read with the Optiarc DVD RW AD-7190A from MTU they play fine in microstudio. If the files read from this drive are burned with the Sony DVD RW AW-Q170A which came in this computer they work quite well in a JVC CDG player.

I'm at a loss here. All updates from Microsoft are up to date from the custom menu. I've uninstalled and reinstalled Microstudio today thinking it was somehow corrupted from the MSoft updates to .net framework 3.xxx or one of their other updates.

I had had problems with the .net framework failing to update itself. I spent a few hours yesterday in microsofts knowledge base until they sent me to a third party to wipe the .net and started over from scratch. As I said earlier there are now no possible updates on their site.

The cd's are always read at 6x, for the error correction. Then usually burned at max on the Optiarc burner. I've tried slowing down to 16x and slower with the same varied results. It wasn't until today that I tried to use the files imported from the Optiarc with the Sony. This resulted in excellent copies of the Sunfly and Star Disc CDG's.

Could it be my power supply, doesn't seem likely since the other burner isn't having a problem? Possibly need for a firmware upgrade? Or something else.

Oh and by the way this is not a thread intended to bash the products purchased. Just looking to find an answer as to whether it is my equipment, the drive, or something else.



Windows XP professional Service pack 2
AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+
512MB ram
Main drive 7200 rpm 250 Gig WD SATA (This is where MS and the imported files are)
DirectX version 9.0c
GeForce 6200 TurboCache with 256 MB ram
Optiarc DVD RW AD-7190A from MTU in early November 07
Sony DVD RW AW-Q170A came with box
Audio Controller: nVidia(026B)
AC97 Codec: ALC655

[ddouglass]

What version of Microstudio and what type of CDs are you using? Microstudio was upgraded to 4.005 on Dec 3. As far as the CDs go if you use cheap CDs you will get poor copies. At the least use Music quality CDs and the best would be to order MTU's CDs since they have quality CDs.
Slowing down the drive really doesn't help as the drives today are made to work better at max speed than they do a slower speeds.
And no it isn't your power supply.

[dcrog]

4.005 on the program. I've used Imation's and HP's for quite a few years with another program. And as I said, with the Sony burner the backups look quite good.

I know slowing down the burner isn't supposed to help, although many people recommend it. But when the CD's are acting as strange as these were you start trying most anything.

Music quality? I've always read that they aren't any different except that you pay an added cost to RIAA or someone because you are putting music on them.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by dcrog

4.005 on the program. I've used Imation's and HP's for quite a few years with another program. And as I said, with the Sony burner the backups look quite good.

I know slowing down the burner isn't supposed to help, although many people recommend it. But when the CD's are acting as strange as these were you start trying most anything.

Music quality? I've always read that they aren't any different except that you pay an added cost to RIAA or someone because you are putting music on them.

Slowing down the burner was a viable way to make better/cleaner burns back when CD drives came out, but that isn't true with the newer burners. The newer ones actually do a worse job when you slow them down.

Music Quality CDs have a thicker backing and higher quality burn area than data CDs. And no you are not paying the RIAA or anyone extra. That is just rumors and propaganda and someone's excuse for not paying the higher price for them. I have also heard that standard low cost data discs will lose their data after 3 years. I can't disprove this one because I have had several photo collections done on the cheaper discs that no longer work now. Fortunately I have those photos in other locations.
My personal choice is Memorex Music CDs. I have never had a bad one and I can get 75 disc packages at Sam's for less than I can get them or any others else where.

[dcrog]

I believe you are wrong about the royalty on the audio cdr's:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1004.html

3% is the figure I come up with.

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq05.html#S5-12

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-17

And although the second and third reference may not be the ultimate knowledge base for the differences in the media, they do comply with everything else I've read on the subject.

By all means I'm not saying that there isn't a difference in cdr media's. Just that no place have I seen what you are saying the difference is.

In fact I believe I do have some memorex audio cd's at the house and may try that when I get home later. But with the files burning fine on the Sony to the Imation and HP media I don't think this is the case. Unless the firmware on the Optiarc won't allow them to work properly. Although it did work with them for a while. Some artifacts were printed to the back ups but nothing intolerable.

But back to the problems with the burning with this drive, does anyone have any other ideas?

MTU, Admin? Or you ddouglas, it's looking to me like it is likely a bad drive. Not MTU's fault by any means. They didn't manufacture it.

But the question of firmware is still out there. I have read that this drive was actually made by Lite-on and people are suggesting using firmware for their drives on it. I won't do this unless asked to by MTU since they are the ones who certified it for CDG.

[bobcox- with the Lord]

I am told the nec drives are made by sony
you may try updating firmware.??

[George]

Originally Posted by ddouglass

What version of Microstudio and what type of CDs are you using? Microstudio was upgraded to 4.005 on Dec 3. As far as the CDs go if you use cheap CDs you will get poor copies. At the least use Music quality CDs and the best would be to order MTU's CDs since they have quality CDs.
Slowing down the drive really doesn't help as the drives today are made to work better at max speed than they do a slower speeds.
And no it isn't your power supply.

The MTU media is by far the best around for burning CDG's, or audio. I have never had a bad burn using them.

With that in mind, if you don't have a stand alone cd recorder deck, you have little need for Music cd's. Most stand alone decks require Music cd's. I have one, and use Music CDRW's to do my vocal recordings on, and when I get them right, import to the hard drive and burn on MTU media.

[dcrog]

Oops. Looks like I misspelled TAIYO in the previous post. From what I've researched they are the best on the market. I guess I'll see when they arrive.

I understand about the audio versions of the CDR's also. I think the wife happened to pick the ones I have up in a checkout line some time ago.

But thank you George for the input.

[dcrog]

Okay MTUsupport got to my ticket and sent me the 1.04 firmware. I flashed the drive and still the same thing. I responded on the ticket for this problem. Guess we'll see what happens next.

[dcrog]

I know you folks are busy, but could someone get back to me on this problem.

[shoekaraoke]

Originally Posted by dcrog

Okay MTUsupport got to my ticket and sent me the 1.04 firmware. I flashed the drive and still the same thing. I responded on the ticket for this problem. Guess we'll see what happens next.

I have the same problem and submitted a ticket to tech support today. I bought and installed the drive about 2 weeks ago and updated the firmware to 1.005 today, but no improvement. In fact, my RSQ triple-tray player doesn't even read the disks I've burned since getting the new drive. I didn't have this problem with my old Plextor, but it bit the dust a few weeks ago and MTU recommended the Optiarc. I tried burning a disk with another sortware application, but with the same (lack of) results. It's getting frustrating......

[ddouglass]

Put in a Support Email. You may just have a bad drive.

[dcrog]

Thanks Dale. I did a couple of nights ago. Their automated response said they would get back to me. I pointed them to this thread for more information.

I also ordered some Tiayo Yuden discs yesterday. They are supposed to be the standard the industry goes by. We'll see how they do.

[kathyd]

I just connected my new external dvd drive and it says not karaoke compatible. What am i doing wrong. I bought thru MTU for this purpose.

[ddouglass]

Originally Posted by kathyd

I just connected my new external dvd drive and it says not karaoke compatible. What am i doing wrong. I bought thru MTU for this purpose.

Kathy please start a new thread instead of tacking on to an old one. In the same window where it tells you it isn't compatible there is a Detect Again button. Put a CDG in the drive and click the button. It should now detect that it is compatable.

[kathyd]

In Microstudio under Import tracks i click on detect drives and it says under Karaoke (no) Audio (yes). When I click Tools in Import Tracks there is no Tool/Default Drive to click on.

[ddouglass]

Top of the list in the Tools menu says Default Drive. What version are you using?

[kathyd]

I am using Version 2.612
under tools it says
Speed Selection
ASPI Drivers
Enable Caching (checked)
Enable Burn Proof (checked)
Jitter Control
Status Bar (Checked)