How can I replace a track already imported as a KMA file?

[bryant]

I'm still in the process of loading my songs(300 of 5200) right now. But here's a good question for ya. "When I import a custom disk but later find out that say song #6 is not a good quality and decide to reimport that one back after obtaining a good one, what do I do?

Can I re-import only one song of a disk and somehow slip it back in the #6 slot? How do I do that? Or do I have to reimport the whole disk again, which would mean to make another whole custom CD with the corrected song and all the others again? hmmm? Can anyone help me here, Beavis??

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

Busy is a good thing I hope. maybe there working on all kinds of
new things for the next edition. I'm still in the process of loading my songs(300 of 5200) right now. But here's a good question for ya. "When I import a custom disk but later find out that say song #6 is not a good quality and decide to reimport that one back after obtaining a good one, what do I do?
Can I re-import only one song of a disk and somehow slip it back in the #6 slot? How do I do that? Or do I have to reimport the whole disk again, which would mean to make another whole custom CD with the corrected song and all the others again? hmmm? Can anyone help me here, Beavis??

Just reimport it as a HD file. If you do burn to a cd you'll have to make sure it is the sixth song (the other five won't matter if your not importing them as well).

[bryant]

Mind: Good advice, thanx. How is it best to get that HD file at the #6 slot on that same disk ID # where it originally was. And To make it appear still as song #6 on that Disk. Do I name that HD folder as that of same original disk ID, then have that corrected song as song #6 in that folder?
Am I making any sense here?

[Beavis]

if you have another good cd thats the same thing or a buddies you can re-import just the #6

plus once youve imported all your cdg's doing only one is'nt so bad

[nreel]

That's, exactly, what you do.

If your ORIGINAL Imported Custom Disc had a BookID of 600, then, you would PREFACE the HD File as 600-06 and have your file named with the SAME Artist and Title info. Example: 600-06 - Diamond, Neil - Song Sung Blue

Upon HD import, Hoster will see the file as DiscID 600 and reimport it at the Track 06 location on the SAME BookID.

Unless you've given the DiscID a BRAND. Then, you'll need to Preface 600 with whatever Brand you ORIGINALLY Imported the Disc on. You can look in your KMA Folder to determine this.

[bryant]

But I do have to make sure that the original is in fact erased, right? What does happen when a song is imported over another song that has the same bookID? Will the two songs then contain the same book ID?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by nreel

That's, exactly, what you do.

If your ORIGINAL Imported Custom Disc had a BookID of 600, then, you would PREFACE the HD File as 600-06 and have your file named with the SAME Artist and Title info. Example: 600-06 - Diamond, Neil - Song Sung Blue

Upon HD import, Hoster will see the file as DiscID 600 and reimport it at the Track 06 location on the SAME BookID.

Unless you've given the DiscID a BRAND. Then, you'll need to Preface 600 with whatever Brand you ORIGINALLY Imported the Disc on. You can look in your KMA Folder to determine this.

My only problem here is that when I enter the original root Book ID say 600 (bookID = Root ID) it says "book ID already in use, meaning that that one song will have a totally different Book ID (not 600, like the others on that disc). How do I get around this w/o having to reimport the whole disc. Please help nReel?

[bryant]

Originally Posted by nreel

That's, exactly, what you do.

If your ORIGINAL Imported Custom Disc had a BookID of 600, then, you would PREFACE the HD File as 600-06 and have your file named with the SAME Artist and Title info. Example: 600-06 - Diamond, Neil - Song Sung Blue

Upon HD import, Hoster will see the file as DiscID 600 and reimport it at the Track 06 location on the SAME BookID.

Unless you've given the DiscID a BRAND. Then, you'll need to Preface 600 with whatever Brand you ORIGINALLY Imported the Disc on. You can look in your KMA Folder to determine this.

Nreel may I phone you on this one?

[bryant]

I have received excellent help from Gduns, Nreel, Beavis, and ADMIN on this before. I think my problem is that I haven't stated my situation clearly. Please let me try again?

1) I imported a disc of 15 songs, assigned it Disc ID 4-05, and the book ID to 405.

2) Track number 15 was unsatisfactory and needs to be reimported.

3) I have a good copy of track 15 as a bin file in a folder on the HD.

4) As previously advised, I prefaced this filename with
405-15 - and this worked quite well.

5) When I click "add files" the file DOES come up on the track list with the correct song title and artist and as track
number 15 disc id 4-05.

6) I now assign book ID as 405 so this track will have a final book ID of 40515 , consistent with others from the disc.

7) When I click on "import file" here is where I get the message "Book ID already in use, please assign another Book ID".

I believe the program, at this point, checks for existing book ID's and DOES NOT allow any way to append to the existing when reimporting from the HD.

However, I have re-imported tracks from discs and it DOES append to existing book ID's quite well. But does not allow this to happen from the HD.

I wonder if I start over (erase all disc ID 405 files) and import track 15 from the HD first, then import the other 14 tracks from the disc afterwards.

I really appreciate all your guidance thus far, but am still in need of your help, Please, as I have several discs I have to do this to.

Bryant from Maine

[gduns - with the Lord]

BRYANT,
I cannot say this for certain, But I think the problem is you are trying to mix cdg tracks with hdbin tracks with the same diskid.

In other words if you had imported all 15 tracks from harddrive, it may have worked.

or if you had imported all 15 tracks from cdg, it may have worked.

I don't believe it will let you mix them.

a suggestion maybe would be to burn a cd-rw with 14 dummy tracks (anysongs), and burn the 15th track, with the one from the harddrive. Only import that 1 track to that diskid. it should work.

you caould save this disk, and anytime you have a bad track 15 , erase the 15th track, and reuse the disk.

[bryant]

gduns, Man, thanx a lot for that excellent tip!

I can always count on you, can't I.

Once I close a cd-rw however, will it simply let me re-write over it, or do I actually have to reformat it again. I haven't done much with rewriteables lately. They used to be "not so" dependable but perhaps they are easier to work with now.

[gduns - with the Lord]

I am not sure, I have heard of others doing this, but I dont think you finalize or close a cd-rw. Others may be able to tell you.

[Beavis]

ignore this !

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by gduns

BRYANT,
I cannot say this for certain, But I think the problem is you are trying to mix cdg tracks with hdbin tracks with the same diskid.

In other words if you had imported all 15 tracks from harddrive, it may have worked.

or if you had imported all 15 tracks from cdg, it may have worked.

I don't believe it will let you mix them.

a suggestion maybe would be to burn a cd-rw with 14 dummy tracks (anysongs), and burn the 15th track, with the one from the harddrive. Only import that 1 track to that diskid. it should work.

you caould save this disk, and anytime you have a bad track 15 , erase the 15th track, and reuse the disk.

I mix 'em all the time when I'm trying to conserve rootid#s. I think the dash in the diskid is the culprit.
Based on what I remember about a post from songpony was Hoster will let you use a dash in the diskid when importing from cdg, but it will not let you use one importing from HD.
I don't recall if songpony found a solution.

Sam

[bryant]

Yes, Beavis, Do you have any suggestions? without having to burn a whole new disk each time. As I tried the cd-rw and that didn't burn very well at all. kept saying disc is not empty , when in fact it was?


Can you help me here please?

[Beavis]

how about i walk you through it over the phone thursday morning ?? i will call you. i have nationwide verizon, so its free.

email me through this method

email how to

[bryant]

Originally Posted by mindonstrike

I mix 'em all the time when I'm trying to conserve rootid#s. Sam

How exactly do you mix them all up (imports from HD and imports of cdg tracks) with the same bookroot ID. Mine gets all the way to the import checked disc, THEN and only THEN is the problem. It lets you assign the root ID that matches the current diskID, the checks to see if its already in use, then doesn't allow a second use from the other type of import.

Mind, can you please tell me how you did in fact do this.

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

How exactly do you mix them all up (imports from HD and imports of cdg tracks) with the same bookroot ID. Mine gets all the way to the import checked disc, THEN and only THEN is the problem. It lets you assign the root ID that matches the current diskID, the checks to see if its already in use, then doesn't allow a second use from the other type of import.

Mind, can you please tell me how you did in fact do this.

Just title the file with the diskid that is assigned to that rootid. As soon as you click add files the rootid should pop up on it's own. If you have to enter it then Hoster thinks the diskid's are different for some reason. Sometimes that reason is obvious only once you figure it out.

Essentially I do the same as Nreels post#5 except I use manuf diskids such as PHMR0502 instead of the bookids as diskids as well, but it should all work the same.

[bryant]

I have received excellent help from Gduns, Nreel, Beavis, and ADMIN on this before. I have read and reread the manual(which is excellent, by the way) on reimports. I think my problem is that I haven't stated my situation clearly. Please let me try again?

1) I imported a disc of 15 songs, assigned it Disc ID 4-05, and the book ID to 405.

2) Track number 15 was unsatisfactory and needs to be reimported.

3) I have a good copy of track 15 as a bin file in a folder on the HD.

4) As previously advised, I prefaced this filename with
405-15 - and this worked quite well.

5) When I click "add files" the file DOES come up on the track list with the correct song title and artist and as track
number 15 disc id 4-05.

6) I now assign book ID as 405 so this track will have a final book ID of 40515 , consistent with others from the disc.

7) When I click on "import file" here is where I get the message "Book ID already in use, please assign another Book ID".

I believe the program, at this point, checks for existing book ID's and DOES NOT allow any way to append to the existing when reimporting from the HD.

However, I have re-imported tracks from discs and it DOES append to existing book ID's quite well. But does not allow this to happen from a HD-import over a previously imported disc.

I wonder if I start over (erase all disc ID 405 files) and import track 15 from the HD first, then import the other 14 tracks from the disc afterwards.

I did this: Put the track #15 from the HD folder in first, then went to the original CDG and clicked on the first 14 songs (a good 15th already in there from HD-import).

CONCLUSION: For some reason, the program will NOT allow the mixing of import/reimport of HD-bin and discs. It will not allow the same bookrootID.

The easiest way now would be to put dummy songs on a cd-rw. Here is my problem here. The rewrite disc always says "disc not empty".
My question: Is there a special unique way to burn music on cd-rw that is erasable and reusable, or a certain type of music cd-rw required for this? Or would you suggest simply using 15 cd-r's to do this? I know they are inexpensive enough.

Sorry for the wordy post, but I want to let you know exactly what I've done so far, and I really appreciate all your guidance so far, but am still in need of your help, Please, as I have 15 OR 16 discs I have to do this to.

Bryant from Maine

[Beavis]

hey B,

here is my opinion on the 15th track


it usually the worst song that no one sings on the cdg. dont worry about it.