HDMP3G & CDCDG

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When I convert MP3gs to KMA and put them with the other KMAs the Extension
in the data base namely TYPE (at the end) is HDMP3G when you rebuild, it changes it to CDCDG which is gives a error message when played if I changed
the file name and dont rebuild its works fine I did not have this problem with
3.108 which had CDCDGs and HDMP3G in the same data and could rebuild
maybe Ive done some different this time any ideas thanks a Bunch
Its not a train crash but I would like to know
John

[MTUSUPPORT]

This is a bug that is in the software. The beta testers have just found this over the weekend. The engineer should be working to fix this in the coming days, and then when Hoster 3.200 is stable enough to be released this will be in the new version.

As for right now, there is no way to fix this currently.

[Heatline]

[quote=MTUSUPPORT]This is a bug that is in the software.

Thanks for that Bryan I never had anything left to try to resolve it
thanks to Wallymeister as well

[Aarrgee]

Thanks to God you guys found the bug. I have been having this problem from since I bought Hoster in January 2005. I thought it was something with my pc. I uninstalled and installed many times. So I waited for the latest update but when I installed it, I had the same problems with files that I edited. They wouldn't play. I was so frustrated that I just reformatted my computer and took my time doing so, not to find that the problem was still there. I was so pissed off that I couldn't figure out what was the problem. Anyway I just got the email from MTU today about the two critical bugs found on Hoster. What a bloody relief. Anyway phew! one question for the moderator. With Hoster 3.2, All my songs that I have edited and will not play because of the bug will now play well with the upgrade?
Can't wait til Friday. Thanks guys.

[mindonstrike]

If you've had this problem since January, you must have a completely different problem because it was April when importing from HD became possible, and those are the only files affected.

Sam

[Aarrgee]

Sorry guys I meant to say that I bought MTU Hoster Laptop January. I started having the problems after April. Sorry about that. Thanks for the reply.

[MTUSUPPORT]

Any songs that you have Edited MUST be deleted, there is no way to fix them. The only thing you could then do is Reimport them from the HD as .mp3g or .zip files as you did at first.

[Aarrgee]

Okay, another question. I have hundreds of songs that I have edited, but I have not rebuilt the database with those edited songs. Will the new Hoster recognized them and will they play normally? Really don't want to reimport all those songs again. Thanks guys. and sorry if this is a stupid question.

[nreel]

FYI
This doesn't effect any Songs that were Imported via a CD.

Any Songs Imported via a CD Disc may be Edited as many times as is necessay and Re-Building the DB will not have any negative effect.

Aarrgee
As to your question, which, AGAIN, only applies to HARD DRIVE IMPORTS, concerning any Edited HARD DRIVE Imports, where the DB HAS NOT been Re-Built, working OK with a Future "Fixed" version of Hoster, I will re-install 3.110 tomorrow, EDIT some HD Imported Songs, NOT RE-BUILD the DB, Install a Hoster BETA version where this problem has been fixed, RE-BUILD the DB to see what happens, and give you an answer.

Norm

[nreel]

Aarrgee

Sorry, it is as I suspected meaning that, since Editing a Trk causes the HEADER to Change, and, therefore, if the DB is Re-Built, Hoster will read HEADER info, as it Builds the DB, and Write that info into the Songs.MDB.

Originally, the EDIT SONGS Menu was programmed to EDIT the ONLY TYPE of Trk Hoster Imported, which was a CD IMPORTED KMA TRK. Now there are 5 (Five) Types of Trks, which are CDCDG (formerly know as, and Original TYPE=KMA), HDCDG, HDBIN, HDMP3G, and HDZIP.

The vast Majority, of Hoster Customers, are CD Importing Customers that this problem WILL NOT affect.

It was only recently that a decision was made to allow HARD DRIVE Imports in order to accommodate those Potential Customers who have large libraries stored on their Hard Drives.

As HARD DRIVE Importing is fairly new technology to Hoster, obviously, a minor setback has occurred in ONE module of all the intricate programming involved.

One way to fix any HD Imported Trks that were Edited is to use your Backup Trks and copy them to the Drive/Folder you use to run your Show. Hopefully, you will not have copied your Edited Trks over your Backup Trks.

If you are at a Show and you find that a Trk won't Play, you can Open the Songs.MDB, perform a SEARCH for the Trk in Question, TAB over to the TYPE Field and CHANGE the PREFIX from CD to HD...then the Trk will PLAY. This is a temporary fix as Re-Building the DB will cause the Prefix to CHANGE back to CD. The only Permanent Fix is to Re-Import the Trk.

If there is anyone who has EXCLUSIVELY Imported from the Hard Drive, EDITED several songs, and subsequently Re-Built their DB, it will be very easy to determine which Trks need to be Re-Imported to fix the Problem Trks permanently. Just perform an ALPHA Sort on the TYPE Column in the Songs.MDB. This will cause all the CDCDG Trks to be listed together. Simply note the DiscID of any Trk that is Listed as a CDCDG and Re-import the whole Disc or only the altered Trk(s) from that disc.

Norm

[Aarrgee]

Sorry but I still don't get your answer to my question. My question is: All my KMA were converted from zips on my HD. over 20,000. Since converting them to KMA's I have edited hundreds but I have not rebuilt my database because of the known problem which I knew all along. (Saved Hoster entire program folder) So now, having not rebuilt my database, I wanna know if rebuilding it with the update would not cause the problem again. Sorry if I didn't understand your answer, thanks again for the response.

[Wallymeister]

Aarrgee,
I think that the update will fix the problem with a rebuild database command. Re-importing will not be needed I'm sure. You will probably have to delete song.mdb before a rebuild though.

That's my understanding
Wally

[nreel]

Post #11 by Aarrgee

Sorry but I still don't get your answer to my question. My question is: All my KMA were converted from zips on my HD. over 20,000. Since converting them to KMA's I have edited hundreds but I have not rebuilt my database...I wanna know if rebuilding it with the update would not cause the problem again. Abridged / Emphasis added

I thought I had answered with this POST:
Post #10 by nreel

Sorry, it is as I suspected meaning that, since Editing a Trk causes the HEADER to Change, and, therefore, if the DB is Re-Built, Hoster will read HEADER info, as it Builds the DB, and Write that info into the Songs.MDB.

I will explain further.

You have CHANGED the KMA HEADER of EVERY TRK YOU EDITED. The "Damage" was done when the Trks were EDITED. Re-Building the DB has nothing to do with Damaging a Trk. Re-Building the DB simply READS and REPORTS what is ALREADY in the HEADER.

Therefore, the Answer to your question is NO. No, a FIXED Version of Hoster will NOT do anything to correct Headers of Song Trks that have been EDITED via the EDIT SONGS Menu of released versions of v3.110 and possibly v3.108.

But, at least, it will be easier for you to identify which Trks to Re-Import by following what I stated earlier:

If there is anyone who has EXCLUSIVELY Imported from the Hard Drive, EDITED several songs, and subsequently Re-Built their DB, it will be very easy to determine which Trks need to be Re-Imported to fix the Problem Trks permanently. Just perform an ALPHA Sort on the TYPE Column in the Songs.MDB. This will cause all the CDCDG Trks to be listed together. Simply note the DiscID of any Trk that is Listed as a CDCDG and Re-import the whole Disc or only the altered Trk(s) from that disc.

[Aarrgee]

Okay maybe you're not understanding my question. Here goes again. All the tracks that I have edited play perfect because I have not rebuilt my database. All I really want to know is that if with the new update, can I go ahead and rebuild my database and if the KMA's would play well just as they are doing now? I know that when I edit a KMA file, the header changes and becomes ireversable. That is why I haven't rebuilt my database because the bug would change it from HD to CD and thus would cause an error.

[nreel]

That is why I haven't rebuilt my database because the bug would change it from HD to CD and thus would cause an error.

It seems to me that you already answered your own question in the QUOTE above.

If you Re-Build your DB with any Version, NEW or OLD, any EDITED songs that were Imported from the Hard Drive WILL NOT Play! <---Is that clear enough?


Post #12 by Wallymeister

Aarrgee,
I think that the update will fix the problem with a rebuild database command.

This is wrong. There is NO Problem with the REBUILD DB COMMAND.
The problem is with the EDIT SONGS Menu.

[Aarrgee]

I can't see how the edit songs feature is faulty when all the songs that I have edited (without rebuilding my database) play perfectly. It has to be with the rebuild database.

[Aarrgee]

I can't see why the edit songs feature is at fault when all the songs that I have edited (without rebuilding the database) play perfectly. It's only when I rebuilt my database that I noticed that the songs didn't play "Error". So what I did was backup my entire Hoster program folder so I don't have to do a rebuild database. Presently I have hundreds of edited KMA's that play perfectly. But I dare not to do a rebuild.

[nreel]

Maybe if a different term for REBUILD was used, like READ/UPDATE, it would become clear. Because that is what happens during a REBUILD. Hoster READS the HEADER and UPDATES the SONGS.MDB (DB).

When you use the EDIT SONGS Menu, currently, you may only change ARTIST and SONG TITLE information and Hoster was PROGRAMMED to show/update the DB in these 2 Fields, immediately, upon clicking APPLY and OK.

You do NOT see that the TYPE is changed because it is neither viewable nor an EDITABLE Field, but it gets CHANGED, nevertheless.

The TYPE is being changed because Hoster, from the EDIT SONGS Menu viewpoint, thinks that the HD Imported Trk is a CD Imported Trk. Hoster does this because the EDIT SONGS Menu was ORIGINALLY Programmed to EDIT CD IMPORTED SONGS.

When HD Imports became available to Hoster's EDIT SONGS Menu, further programming would have been needed so that the EDIT SONGS Menu would recognize the newly added HD Import Formats.

Since this programming was not added, Hoster's EDIT SONGS Menu sees all HD Imports as CD IMPORTS and, upon EDITING a Song, CHANGES the HEADER to agree with the CD Trk EDIT HANDLING Programming.

Your Songs still work because the DB TYPE Field DOESN'T get Updated immediately when a Song is Edited. However, Rebuilding the DB causes all HEADER information to be READ and ALL Fields, in the DB, to be UPDATED.

[Heatline]

As I was one of the first to find this bug it was to late to do anything, books
printed etc cannot reload because numbers change, about 1300 song where damaged by the song edit, all i do to fix the problem is copy and paste the correct HDMP3G into the data base ,is there a way you could correct the files in a hex edit programme or even write a small progamme to fix the line
in Hex as you know how the structure is made up just a idea Thanks

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Originally Posted by MTUSUPPORT

Any songs that you have Edited MUST be deleted, there is no way to fix them. The only thing you could then do is Reimport them from the HD as .mp3g or .zip files as you did at first.

Iv;e been playing around with a hex editor is there anyway it could be fixed useing HEX ,Which line in the table is it that makes it CDCDG I might be talking out of my hat but it cost cost nothing to try thanks a lot