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Can I transfer KMA files?
If i buy a second hoster program for my second laptop, will the kma files on my first laptop transfer and be usable in the second hoster app. I am need to know. Got two shows in one night at two different places, and I don't want to waste more time burning all my songs on to my second laptop again. Please help.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
You can do it but it's ILLEGAL .
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Yes, it is illegal unless you already own the discs for the second system, and then it IS LEGAL. They should contain at least all the songs you imported on your first system.
![]() Then, all you would need to do is import any additional songs from discs you have with your second system that are not on your first system. |
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
you should be able to buy the rights to a second copy of a cd-g at 1/2 the cost and not recieve the actual cd-g.
in short, the rights to use one cd-g and use it on 2 computers ! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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![]() i couldn't agree more bevis i mean we spend a lot of money on cdg's i think when we buy the disks we should be able to use them however we want. dont get me wrong i don't think it should be ok to borrow disks and then load them in hoster but if u buy the disk you should be able to use it on 2,3,4 or however many systems you want too.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
yeah and then some company can put you out of business and charge half of what you do because they have almost no investment in their music because they copied their music to several systems. still think it's a good idea?
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
i was talking about the ascap of cd-g music not the place you buy the cd-g's from !
you should be able to get a a piece of paper stating your allowed to use the disc's in 2 place's, or 3 or 4 or what ever you want to pay for. it sucks storing all those disc's |
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
thats right nobody talking about trading disks with other people or selling copied disks i am talking about using my investment to the fullest advantage i bought every disk i own and i should be able to use them however i want!
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Correction tiggallen, all you own is the sixty cent piece of plastic the cd/cdg is cut on, not the content, and that's a hard, cold fact.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
the last time i checked i was payin more than 60 cents for a disk if that all i was payin i would gladly buy multiple copies of disks but i pay 25 to 31 dollars a piece so i would say that is a bit more than 60 cent piece of plastic.
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Yes, but the value is in the content, and you do not own that. You paid for the right to use the content, and in the manner that the owners prescribe that you use it. You only own the piece of plastic. Put any value on that you want, but I'd bet well less than a dollar, because the manufacturing process to turn that hunk of plastic into the finished product is also patented and owned by someone else...get it?
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![]() then why can't they agree on a fair price so you can buy two license or whatever would make it legal to buy one disk and use it on two systems.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Your guess is as good as mine on that one. My guess would be that they make more money this way, and that's what they're all about.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
tiggalen this is just a point nothing else
i do not belive in what souind choice and some of the others are doing but let me ask you one ?? here if you dont mind! you said (then why can't they agree on a fair price so you can buy two license ) so say you buy a disk at reg price and you want to copy it to a sec hoster and you get a fair price for the sec license are you going to drop the price on your sec karaoke shows!!! and all shows that you use that sec copy for and if you dont why should they give you a diff price on the sec license dont get me wrong here i try to get the best deal i can too but fair is fair dont you think??? |
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![]() i agree that everyone is entitled what is owed to them but i think there should be exceptions. i am the only company here in roanoke that pays all taxes and is 100% legit. the prob i have is there is no way for me to buy another copy of all my disks about 15% have been discon. i could never have an exact copy of my system if i cant buy all the disks. i mean i have over 1000 cdg's thats alot of money to protect and i am sorry but i don't see anything wrong with using my investment to the fullest. anyway the bottom line is right now that is considered illigal and until the laws change i will only have one system running at a time.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
the reason you will not see a license on the disc that are out of print is most likely because the writer on the artist or the rec company most likely sued
them to get the disc off the shelf there are a lot of cdg company dont pay for the rights to print the songs they are using at least not all of them so when you see a disc out of print that is most likely what happin dont know what to tell you here in a case like that its up to you to do what you have to to protec your disc |
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Funny how the CDG mfg's don't pay the royalties on all songs, but they scream if anyone copies their disc! I don't mind the situation whatever it is, as long as it's the same playing field for everyone.
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Then on top of that they don't mind shafting the public, not in the least. One of the worst I've come across is a Pocket Songs track, Spanish Harlem,by B.B.King, where the following message sits on the screen throughout the entire track.
"We regret that the publisher has not permitted us to reprint the lyrics of this song in cdg format" They went ahead and used it though, backgroung track, no graphics. Thanks to MTU and KHP, was able to re-construct it. You figure. George |
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
OK, here goes a can of worms!!!!!!!
In response to George. Even though the publisher controls the rights to the lyrics, they don't control the rights to reproduce the music. Anybody can re-record a song using their own midi files, instruments, or whatever, but the lyric content is copyrighted. You cannot print the lyrics without permission. If you do re-record something, you still have to apply for licenses. If the music publisher denies the music end of it, then the karaoke company then does a "compulsary" licenese, which the original artists can't do anything about. Basically what it comes down to, is the music publishers have at least 2 licenses they have to apply for. One for the music, one for the lyrics. The one for the music they can get, even if it is denied through the "compulsary" license. There is no way to get around the lyrics request licenese. Either it is denied or accepted. Some publisher/writers contend with each song there also needs to be "sync" license, because the lyrics are being "synced" up with video. In the motion picture industry this is very common. When a movie uses a song they must pay this "sync" license. From what I understand, the fee on the sync license is variable, depending on the type of movie, the expected revenue, etc. This is where my question comes in. How can some companys sell music so cheap when the licenses they are to pay costs more or extremely close to what they are selling the disc for? Where do their production costs factor in as well? Those are the companys that aren't paying the proper licensing. Does that make those discs you buy from these companies illegal? The proper fees haven't been paid. For example. I just got this ad from an on-line distributor: Karaoke Hits Pack ONLY $99! This disc set contains 27 Karaoke Hits CDG discs for a total of 519 songs! Do the math. The lyrics reprint minimum per song is 8.5 cents, and the music compulary per song is 8.5 cents. 17 cents per song for the music time 519 songs is $88.23. The cost of producing 27 discs at .30 a disc to manufacture is $8.10. The total is $96.33. What about the studio costs to produce the music and author the songs to CDG? And this is from a distributor, not the manufacturer. Someone's not getting paid their royalties. Some manufacturers contend they don't have to pay reprint fees because they lyrics aren't actually printed. Do you think the lyrics are printed? If the lyrics aren't printed, how are you able to read them on the screen. The lyrics are printed in some form or another because they are on the CD digitally. Some writers contend that everytime the song is played on CDG they should get their fair share because each time it is being played it is getting "printed" on the TV screen for "X" number of people to see and read. I can just see it now, we're going to have to keep track of every song we play and send money to each writer when that song is played. Oh the joys of the karaoke world. Second question: Are there any karaoke companies out there that have not shafted the public or writers? The moral of the story: Make sure you are buying legit discs to start with. Enough of my soapbox for now. Jimbo |
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Re: Can I transfer KMA files?
Jimbo,
That's all well and good, but the thrust of my post was not the copywrite situation, but the sorry CDG manufacturer that would go right ahead and include a track that is not a complete cdg, when they could have used something else. George |
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