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Old November 17th, 2008, 07:55 AM
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Question After installing Demo problem

I downloaded Hoster Demo on my friends (Larry Lankster) computer while I was working on it for him, so he could get a glimpse at what's coming. His version of Hoster is 3.321 and it works fine now for running a show but he can't import any new tracks. When trying he gets the following.

Error processing file:
C:\MTU\Hoster\bucket.mdb
Not a valid password. (3031)
Would like to see "Help". message"

I searched the forums for this issue and found some info but nothing I try works. For one, there isn't 2 bucket.mdb files on his computer. (only one - C:\Mtu\Hoster\ directory)

I tried uninstalling Hoster Demo but when I did I got a message that there is an older Demo version that must be uninstalled first. So I clicked OK to do that but there is only one demo version on his computer. After I did this Hoster 3.321 would not work at all. Some error like "Your version doesn't match your registration"

So I did a system restore to undo that action. Now he can use Hoster for show but still can't input any new discs. As an after thought I wondered if I made a copy of my bucket.mdb and put on his computer if that would fix the problem. (My version is 3.316 I think) He nor I want to upgrade until video is supported. Been waiting a long time. Also when I run the Demo version and then go back to 3.321 version I have to do a "Build Songs Database" again to use it. "WHY"


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His computer is not online either so I couldn't uninstall and re-install to see if that works. He has to get Comcast out to fix his internet connection issue.
Please help! I would like to resolve this issue w/o doing re-install.

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Old November 17th, 2008, 08:37 AM
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Hey Wally,
I have not had this problem but will do the best I can for you. Dale will back me up or correct me the next time he's on the board.

I have never installed a demo on a computer that has a working version of Hoster on it, I don't even know if it can be done. Seems like it should.

To keep Larry running until he can get online, I would not unistall 3.321 (He should be running 3.321a, the upgrade is free. )

When you said "So I clicked OK to do that but there is only one demo version on his computer." it tells me that there is a demo version already on Larry's computer. If this is correct try unistalling that demo then install the 4.06 demo. If this is incorrect it should unistall the 4.06 demo you tried to install.

If I recall correctly, you should be able to delete the bucket.mdb (I'd save it to a jump drive just in case), open Hoster 3.321, rebuild the database and it will write a new bucket.mdb. You can try this and see if it will let Larry import tracks.

I'm sorry I can't be more help here. Dale will be on the board soon, he's has more experience it this area than me. Hang in there, we'll get you going. If Larry was online I could be more help.

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Old November 17th, 2008, 10:59 AM
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the demo version will do that, i had that problem, but the full version will work, for some reason the demo version is not able to locate your cd/dvd drive..that's is why your getting that error msg..i did a system restore and i installed the full version and since then everything is working fine , and if your waiting for the video's full function, from what i've been reading in the forum the video's full function won't be out till sometime next year..hoster 4.06 video works fine, the only thing that you wont be able to do is to import video file on the database..you could import is a a dat. file and hoster will play it just by clicking the video button..
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Old November 17th, 2008, 11:05 AM
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Billy,
No, the DVD drive is recognized, it works fine for importing singers tracks. It is not able to use the bucket.mdb due to password error. Without bucket.mdb import tracks will not work. I'm assuming that if I never installed Demo version this problem would have never happened. It's maddening that taking a peek at new version would cause all this mess.

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Old November 17th, 2008, 11:32 AM
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Billy,
No, the DVD drive is recognized, it works fine for importing singers tracks. It is not able to use the bucket.mdb due to password error. Without bucket.mdb import tracks will not work. I'm assuming that if I never installed Demo version this problem would have never happened. It's maddening that taking a peek at new version would cause all this mess.

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Wally,
When you installed the Demo it put the new Bucket.mdb in place of the one for 3.321. The new Bucket uses a different internal password. That is why you get the error message. You should be able to copy your bucket file in place of the one on it to fix this. Or if he gets his internet link fixed just re-install 3.321, using the Remove instead of Upgrade.
The Demo is really for those who don't have Hoster and want to try it before they buy.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 12:22 PM
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Oh, OK
I won't be doing that again.

The other thing is, as I mentioned when I un-installed Hoster Demo, and tried to use Hoster full version I got that different message that "version doesn't match registration" which does not allow it to run at all. Not understanding why that's happening.

If I can replace the Demo version of "bucket" with my version of bucket and that will work I guess that will be OK to leave Demo version there until he is ready to upgrade. But I know my version of "bucket" is not the latest available and there's probably a lot of discs that are in the new one that is not in mine, but until he can get his internet connection fixed that'll be better than nothing. I had his computer at my house on my internet connection when I installed them.

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Old November 17th, 2008, 02:14 PM
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If I recall correctly, you should be able to delete the bucket.mdb (I'd save it to a jump drive just in case), open Hoster 3.321, rebuild the database and it will write a new bucket.mdb.
Hey Dale,
I want to give good information concerning the bucket.mdb. Is my statement here correct or do we have to reinstall Hoster to rewrite the bucket.mdb? I'm starting to think that I'm looking at the bucket.mdb like it's the songs.mdb. If I remeber correctly, you rulled the reins on me once before about this.

Still learning, thanks!

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Old November 17th, 2008, 02:28 PM
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Hey Dale,
I want to give good information concerning the bucket.mdb. Is my statement here correct or do we have to reinstall Hoster to rewrite the bucket.mdb? I'm starting to think that I'm looking at the bucket.mdb like it's the songs.mdb. If I remeber correctly, you rulled the reins on me once before about this.

Still learning, thanks!

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No it isn't. The Bucket is not the Songs database. It is a permanent database file that has the information for when you import CDs so you don't have to type in all the info needed (unless the disk is not in the Bucket). Therefore it has to be re-installed.

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The other thing is, as I mentioned when I un-installed Hoster Demo, and tried to use Hoster full version I got that different message that "version doesn't match registration" which does not allow it to run at all. Not understanding why that's happening.
Since you are getting this message you will have to re-install. The problem is the Demo changed the registration and when you uninstalled it the registration doesn't change back. Sorry initial fix won't work for this.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 02:33 PM
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No it isn't. The Bucket is not the Songs database. It is a permanent database file that has the information for when you import CDs so you don't have to type in all the info needed (unless the disk is not in the Bucket). Therefore it has to be re-installed.
Got it now, thanks Dale!

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Old November 17th, 2008, 03:17 PM
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Dag Nab-it

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Old November 17th, 2008, 05:30 PM
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I'm sorry you have had problems. There was some interaction with our PRIOR Hoster Demo, but that was fixed last week, and a new version will now download.

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I downloaded Hoster Demo on my friends (Larry Lankster) computer while I was working on it for him, so he could get a glimpse at what's coming. His version of Hoster is 3.321 and it works fine now for running a show but he can't import any new tracks. When trying he gets the following.

Error processing file:
C:\MTU\Hoster\bucket.mdb
Not a valid password. (3031)
Would like to see "Help". message"
P.S. His computer is not online either so I couldn't uninstall and re-install to see if that works. He has to get Comcast out to fix his internet connection issue.
Wally, when did you download the Hoster Demo? Was it 4.06a? We just fixed it last week so it would install in its own folder, and not share the Bucket.mdb database with an installed Hoster or Hoster Lite version. If you got the latest demo, then we have a serious problem to fix.

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Wally,
When you installed the Demo it put the new Bucket.mdb in place of the one for 3.321. The new Bucket uses a different internal password. That is why you get the error message. You should be able to copy your bucket file in place of the one on it to fix this. Or if he gets his internet link fixed just re-install 3.321, using the Remove instead of Upgrade.
The Demo is really for those who don't have Hoster and want to try it before they buy.
Dale is right on the first statement, as far as the OLDER Hoster Demo. The new one we uploaded last week does NOT conflict with an existing Bucket.mdb database.

Hoster and all other MTU programs are NOT setup to INSTALL without Internet connections. I'm sorry, but that's what we have been forced to. I don't have a single program on my computer (and I have hundreds) that will install without Internet connection. It is a requirement today....

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Oh, OK
I won't be doing that again.

The other thing is, as I mentioned when I un-installed Hoster Demo, and tried to use Hoster full version I got that different message that "version doesn't match registration" which does not allow it to run at all. Not understanding why that's happening.

If I can replace the Demo version of "bucket" with my version of bucket and that will work I guess that will be OK to leave Demo version there until he is ready to upgrade. But I know my version of "bucket" is not the latest available and there's probably a lot of discs that are in the new one that is not in mine, but until he can get his internet connection fixed that'll be better than nothing. I had his computer at my house on my internet connection when I installed them.
Wally, from what you say here I believe you installed the OLDER Hoster Demo.

You can replace your friend's Bucket.mdb with yours SINCE you are running 3.321(a?).
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Old November 17th, 2008, 07:36 PM
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I downloaded his 3.321 and Hoster Demo about 2 weeks ago. He used his computer last weekend for a show. (11/8) I downloaded maybe as much as a week before that. I am still running 3.315 on my computer. I guess I should install 3.321 on mine too. But my computer is not online either and it's a little work for me to get it online. Never really needed upgrade as everything working fine like it is.

I understand about internet connection requirement. When I had his computer at my house I was able to put it online easily and after I installed Hoster I checked everything but importing discs. If I had, I problably could have avoided this problem, or if his internet connection wasn't screwed up. (bad timing)

So, I don't think he has 3.321a installed. (most likely 3.321) I have 3.315 on mine. If I'm understanding you correctly, this will still be a conflict with the bucket.mdb. (?)

I'm hoping he can get his ISP corrected and I can just do a re-install after doing un-install. But if he can't get it fixed by this weekend can you let me know what I could do if anything to at least get him able to use his computer to import discs. (e.g. If I install 3.321a on my computer and then copy my bucket to his computer) Would that work? Or would my bucket with version 3.315 work?

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Old November 17th, 2008, 11:23 PM
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Wally,
Version 3.321a has been up for a while so I am sure that is the one he has, but 4.06 Demo you downloaded two weeks ago would have been the one that causes problems by installing in the same folder as the 3.321a.
The bucket is installed with each copy of Hoster installed. This Bucket had been exactly the same as the last up until the release of Version 4.00.
Because of the registration code mismatch that he has on his computer you will need to re-install version 3.321a in order to correct this. The bucket is the least of the problems right now and will also be fixed as soon as it is re-installed.
Until you can re-install it on his computer he will not be able to import disks and there is no way around that. So either they fix his connection or he brings it back to your house to connect up and re-install.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 07:39 AM
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I'm just going to cross my fingers and see if he gets his ISP working. Sounds like this will be the best fix anyway. That way I can delete the Demo version too and be done with it. That is until 4.1 comes along and we both can upgrade. (Video Supported)

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Old November 18th, 2008, 11:50 AM
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Wally I realize you guys are both waiting for the ability to import videos into Hoster permanently, but since the current versions have exactly the capabilities you have now wouldn't it make since to go ahead and upgrade? That way you get familiar with and already have all the other new features set up and running? Version 4.10 is going to be another free upgrade for those who own a version 4.0x anyway so won't cost you extra to do so.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 12:30 PM
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Yes, this I have considered, but right now is a bad time for me monetarily. My friend also just put out over $400 basically rebuilding computer so he is not the best shape right now either. Neither of us use systems for paying jobs much anymore. Just personal use and get togethers with family and friends. Right now, it's an expensive hobby. The features that I see in the current version are great for professional shows but otherwise not as desirable.

I use my system mostly, not for karaoke but background tracks as a singer/entertainer. When I do run a karaoke show, it's private party and all the bells and whistles are not so beneficial. He nor I have done any clubs in a several years.

But, if I get can see my way to go ahead and upgrade, I will. Maybe Santa can bring me my upgrade. I'll put it on my list, but you know how Santa likes to wrap things up with a bow and be a surprise on Christmas morning. Can this be done? Hmmmm

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