Super CDGs

[2shadow]

I have a plextor px-716a, and I was wondering if it and hoster would read and convert the super cdg to Kma files on a laptop.

Thanks Tim

[ddouglass]

The Plextor 716A is capable of reading the SCDG discs which are Dual Layer DVDs. However Hoster cannot convert/import the songs to KMA files.

You will have to use another program, which there are a couple of them, to convert the SCDG files to individual BIN files which can be imported into Hoster. However currently Hoster has a limitation of 99 song files per DiscID that can be imported. This is far shy of the 1000+ on SCDG discs.

For Hoster 4.0 (release sometime this year) MTU is working on changes to be able to import the massive numbers of songs on the SCDG (still have to be converted to BIN first). This is a change to the 99 file limitation.

[2shadow]

Would you have a sugestions?

[lmcmains]

Would you have a sugestions?

You need to go to CAVS site to get the software. I think there are other ones out there but don't know for sure.

[ddouglass]

Larry CAVS refuses to create a software to extract the songs from the dat files. The program I use is CDGFix.

[capnvic]

Do you have any details regarding this program? I have a few SCDG's That I would like to try doing this method of extraction...

[ddouglass]

All I can say here is to do a Google search for the program name and find their webpage.

[capnvic]

I checked out the website. Thanks !

[admin]

CAVS made a VERY BAD mistake by letting their SCDG creation software tools into the public domain. I am sure they did it as they alone have a PLAYER for this double-sided DVD disc.

It has made the Karaoke Producers and the Lyrics Publishers VERY MAD, and is probably a major contributor to the legal actions that Sound Choice and Stellar Records are now taking against ILLEGAL use of Karaoke songs, which does NOT include anyone who has legally purchased Karaoke CDG discs from licensed producers.

MTU does not know all the details about the legality of the SCDG format. However, again, it is clear to me that any method where songs are distributed for less than the range of $0.70 PER SONG in quantity is ILLEGAL until proven legal.

Thus, MTU considers SCDG discs an ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION method that we will not support.

[capnvic]

I have to agree with the last thread message. A major manufacturer of Karaoke discs has openly embraced the Neo+G format and they have thrown in with another manufacturer of NEO compatible players. While I don't condone pirating, I do beleive that I have a right to protect my investments (which to me, have been considerable). That is why I have invested my money on MTU software.

[capnvic]

I also don't wan't to abuse my membership on this post. The forums are most informative. It makes my karaoke endeavors most fruitful.

[admin]

Originally Posted by capnvic

I have to agree with the last thread message. A major manufacturer of Karaoke discs has openly embraced the Neo+G format and they have thrown in with another manufacturer of NEO compatible players. While I don't condone pirating, I do beleive that I have a right to protect my investments (which to me, have been considerable). That is why I have invested my money on MTU software.

I'm not talking about RSQ's Neo+G. I'm talking about SCDG... the topic of this thread.

At this time, there is yet another round of attacks against ALL Hosts, Legal and Illegal by Sound Choice and Stellar Records. They are now INTIMIDATING the venue owners who hire you. Why? Because they are tired of the illegal bootlegging that is ruining their businesses. I don't blame them one bit, and MTU will be 100% behind them... in going after the ILLEGAL KJs that ruin the Industry for all of us.

MTU must continue to prove our focus is on LEGAL distribution, and your rights to make backups of your legal CDG discs, and your rights to format shift them to files on a hard drive.

MTU is the only company fighting for the rights of Legal Karaoke Hosts. Thus, we are extremely sensitive to what is LEGAL, and what is not. I can tell you that very knowledgeable people in the licensing area have told me that CAVS does not pay their licensing fees and thus ALL their songs are illegal. If this is correct, anyone owning a CAVS system or CAVS songs downloaded or on SCDG discs is running an ILLEGAL business. If this is true, Sound Choice and Stellar Records could catch you in their sweep and you have no legal rights against them. Do you want to risk that?

Before you bring Chartbusters SCDG discs into this Thread, they have had many law suits against them in the past for not paying their licensing fees. I don't know if they are or are not legal. At $0.33 a song (450 @ $150 for a SCDG), the math sure does look illegal to me.

For the record: I have yet to have anyone prove to me that even one SCDG disc for sale is legal, with all licenses paid for all songs contained therein.

[gpayne]

Originally Posted by admin

I'm not talking about RSQ's Neo+G. I'm talking about SCDG... the topic of this thread.

At this time, there is yet another round of attacks against ALL Hosts, Legal and Illegal by Sound Choice and Stellar Records. They are now INTIMIDATING the venue owners who hire you. Why? Because they are tired of the illegal bootlegging that is ruining their businesses. I don't blame them one bit, and MTU will be 100% behind them... in going after the ILLEGAL KJs that ruin the Industry for all of us.

MTU must continue to prove our focus is on LEGAL distribution, and your rights to make backups of your legal CDG discs, and your rights to format shift them to files on a hard drive.

MTU is the only company fighting for the rights of Legal Karaoke Hosts. Thus, we are extremely sensitive to what is LEGAL, and what is not. I can tell you that very knowledgeable people in the licensing area have told me that CAVS does not pay their licensing fees and thus ALL their songs are illegal. If this is correct, anyone owning a CAVS system or CAVS songs downloaded or on SCDG discs is running an ILLEGAL business. If this is true, Sound Choice and Stellar Records could catch you in their sweep and you have no legal rights against them. Do you want to risk that?

Before you bring Chartbusters SCDG discs into this Thread, they have had many law suits against them in the past for not paying their licensing fees. I don't know if they are or are not legal. At $0.33 a song (450 @ $150 for a SCDG), the math sure does look illegal to me.

For the record: I have yet to have anyone prove to me that even one SCDG disc for sale is legal, with all licenses paid for all songs contained therein.

Is there anyway we can find out who is legal and who is not in the industry. Could you tell us who your sources are so we can contact them. There must be some way an honest person can be informed so they will not be caught in the middle of illegal software, players and etc. and the companies who collect royalties.

gpayne

[admin]

Originally Posted by gpayne

Is there anyway we can find out who is legal and who is not in the industry. Could you tell us who your sources are so we can contact them. There must be some way an honest person can be informed so they will not be caught in the middle of illegal software, players and etc. and the companies who collect royalties.

gpayne

I understand your desire. We too want to know. Even Sound Choice... the leader in SPIN and KAPA... was sued in Sept. 2001 for $19 million for not paying the Sync Licenses for their lyrics. Go figure! Do you think what they are now doing is LEGAL... or INTIMIDATION???

If you buy a CDG disc from a Dealer or Distributor, NOT EBAY or the likes, and you pay $10 or higher and it is a standard silkscreened disc from one of the known producers, then you have the best chance of it being legal.

I'm not a legal expert, but from the research we have paid for and I am aware of, if you have proof of purchase of your songs, and in the case of CDG Discs have the master commercial version safe at home, I cannot conceive of anyone, even SC taking you to court for any reason.

Gpayne, I expect you're as legal as they come from what I have seen you post. It's those who buy a $400 HDD with 35,000 songs and Sax & Dotty's older Show Hoster (unprotected so the bootleggers use it) who should be shaking in their booths. They... are vulnerable to seeing confiscation of their gear, and visiting a Court of Law.

Those who copy a friend's discs one weekend and don't own a single CDG disc behind them are going down if they are caught.

Those making copies of their discs and selling them to their friends or clients are 100% illegal bootleggers!

Also, those who buy more than one copy of Hoster, import the CDG Disc tracks to KMA files, then make a backup copy of the hard drive and use it on a second Hoster (or most likely their backup copy) and never buy a CDG disc for the second rig, they too are 100% ILLEGAL. Also, if MTU finds them we will terminate their license to use Hoster. There is NO ROOM for bootleggers in this Industry.

Our next round of legal research is fully geared to tell you, and the business owners who hire you, what IS and IS NOT legal. There are clear definitions, and Sound Choice and Stellar are doing the Industry a grave disservice by saying EVERYTHING YOU DO IS ILLEGAL! As we did 3 years ago, we're out to debunk the lies and intimidations. There are LEGAL and ILLEGAL actions.

Frankly, in most cases just using common sense will keep you safe. Buying a disc with songs for less than the $0.20 - $0.34 license fees in the USA is questionable. I was called down for saying the cutoff is $1.00 per song, and I corrected my statement.

Can CAVS owners be taken to court? I doubt it seriously.

However, I wouldn't bet the farm on any SCDG disc. Just my personal opinion. That's why MTU has no "converter" plans for SCDG discs.

[admin]

Originally Posted by admin

Our next round of legal research is fully geared to tell you, and the business owners who hire you, what IS and IS NOT legal. There are clear definitions, and Sound Choice and Stellar are doing the Industry a grave disservice by saying EVERYTHING YOU DO IS ILLEGAL! As we did 3 years ago, we're out to debunk the lies and intimidations. There are LEGAL and ILLEGAL actions.

The results of the legal research MTU paid for are now available. Please read them so you know.