database rebuild didnt include edited songs

[bryant]

Last night I edited a few songs with "tools - edit songs" on hoster. I changed a few titles and authors to make them correct. However, when I copied that HD hoster sng folder to my backup HD, then rebuilt the database on the backup laptop with that backup HD, the edited songs were not fixed when I used the backup laptop and HD. The newly added aand reimported songs were all there, but not the edited ones.

Is there another database file in the Hoster folder on the c drive of the original laptop that needs to be copied into the C drive of the backup laptop? To make these changes visible!

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

Last night I edited a few songs with "tools - edit songs" on hoster. I changed a few titles and authors to make them correct. However, when I copied that HD hoster sng folder to my backup HD, then rebuilt the database on the backup laptop with that backup HD, the edited songs were not fixed when I used the backup laptop and HD. The newly added aand reimported songs were all there, but not the edited ones.

Is there another database file in the Hoster folder on the c drive of the original laptop that needs to be copied into the C drive of the backup laptop? To make these changes visible!

First of all which version of Hoster are we talking about.

Please clarify what you are trying to do.
Are you copying your songs.mdb database to another computer and trying to make that work? or are you actually copying edited kma files to your backup.

Sam

[bryant]

Newest version oh hoster, as of yeaterday 3.310 (but not 3.311).

I am backing up my kma folder to another drive. The I rebuild the database with that other drive to a backup laptop.

All the newly added and reimported songs are on both computers after the rbuild.

Before the backup I edited some song names and authors. After copying all the new kma files to another drive and rebuilding to a backup laptop, that laptop didn't show that the newly edited song names were changed. In other words, the backup laptop with the newly rebuilt database still had the old song names as the main laptop did before I edited them on the main laptop.

[mindonstrike]

Of the edited songs, were they some of the new ones or fixing songs you already had on both computers?

I'm just thinking that if it's the latter, either the new files aren't overwriting the old ones on your backup or possibly the rebuild doesn't realize the information has changed and so doesn't re-read the info.
Deleting the "songs" database file before the rebuild that should fix that.

If it's the former let me know and I will try and recreate it on my computer.

Sam

[Beavis]

i am having the same problem bryant. ive been editing the heck out of my songs (putting in weeks of time) and it seems to go right back to the original before i edited it. i dont know if it has anything to do with the upgrade ?

[Beavis]

i dont know if it has anything to do with it but when i edit my songs, i dont hit the apply key, i hit the enter key. hitting the enter key applies it on the screen.

[ddouglass]

You hit the Enter Key with cursor still in Box you are changing? All that does is set that box and move the cursor/highlight to the next location. You have to "Apply" the changes before moving on to next record.

[Beavis]

no, it updates it in the search box.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by mindonstrike

Of the edited songs, were they some of the new ones or fixing songs you already had on both computers?
Sam

I imported discs 721, 722, and 723 on my main show laptop internal drive C. I then changed the song names of six songs on disc number 907 using "edit songs" on the same main laptop.

I then updated (copied) the main laptop to the external HD. This is where my backup kma files are kept.

I then took the external HD and hooked it up to the backup laptop and rebuilt the database so all new information (files) would be recognized.

Disc 721, 722, and 723 showed all there songs, however, disc 907 STILL had the wrong songnames as the main laptop had before I edited.

My prognosis is that edited info such as title and author names may not be stored in the kma files.

[Beavis]

i agree bryant, it only works on the one computer, when i transfer my kma's to my back-up computer, the info stays the same as if i didnt edit them at all.

i dont think its really editing the kma's.

admin any word on this ???

[billyo]

i kinda have the same problem i imported a cd about a month go..for some reason this cd didnt have the brand name on it but it has the id # so i typed in the id # instead of the brand name..since i found out now the brand of the cd i tried to edit the cd and re-typed the correct name..did the whole bit..updated my song data base..etc..still have the disc id instead of the brand name..

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by Beavis

no, it updates it in the search box.

I'll be darned. You're right! I edited an artist name and title using enter instead of apply, it updated on the list and then displayed the edit when I added it to the playlist.

[mindonstrike]

Originally Posted by bryant

I imported discs 721, 722, and 723 on my main show laptop internal drive C. I then changed the song names of six songs on disc number 907 using "edit songs" on the same main laptop.

I then updated (copied) the main laptop to the external HD. This is where my backup kma files are kept.

I then took the external HD and hooked it up to the backup laptop and rebuilt the database so all new information (files) would be recognized.

Disc 721, 722, and 723 showed all there songs, however, disc 907 STILL had the wrong songnames as the main laptop had before I edited.

My prognosis is that edited info such as title and author names may not be stored in the kma files.

ALL database info is stored in the KMA header.

I did this experiment with my laptop and had no problems but I'm using 3312 so maybe you should try it with yours.

On the computer you originally edited songs in, check to see that those edits are still there, goto rebuild database just to see that it is pointed at the right folders, close Hoster. Go to your database folder and delete the "songs" file in your database folder (I deleted backup and temp as well). Open Hoster and it will automaticly rebuild the database. Now check those edited songs. If they reverted back then there is something wrong with Hoster. If the edits are still there then you must be doing something incorrect when transferring them to your other computer because rebuild gets ALL of it's info from the KMA header.

Sam

[Beavis]

its fine until i transfer them to mybackup drive, then they revert back.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Beavis

its fine until i transfer them to mybackup drive, then they revert back.

I don't know the answer, but it sure appears to me to be a Windows thang!

[Beavis]

are you telling me admin when i edit a song in hoster it actually edits the kma ???

[admin]

Originally Posted by Beavis

are you telling me admin when i edit a song in hoster it actually edits the kma ???

Yep... the header where the info is stored.

[bryant]

Originally Posted by admin

Yep... the header where the info is stored.

may it also true that even though the kma file is changed it is not picked up as a "modified" file bty windows and will NOT be recognized as such when folders are updated and backed up

If so, then how doe we back up those files from backup prorams that only change the recognized "modified" files?

In other words, I may been editing and adding a lot of files lately, but when I have been backing up the HD of the laptop, I now have a backup containing a lot of different information than the original. (edits not included). that's not good?

Any solutions.

[Beavis]

Originally Posted by bryant

may it also true that even though the kma file is changed it is not picked up as a "modified" file bty windows and will NOT be recognized as such when folders are updated and backed up

If so, then how doe we back up those files from backup prorams that only change the recognized "modified" files?

In other words, I may been editing and adding a lot of files lately, but when I have been backing up the HD of the laptop, I now have a backup containing a lot of different information than the original. (edits not included). that's not good?

Any solutions.

i agree.

i worked my a$$ off edited my database and when i sent it to my backup computer it was all lost. i understand i can go back to my original computer and nothing has changed but i edited using both computers for hours at a time, many hours at a time.

[bryant]

Beavis,
I think what you can do is to make a complete backup of the original computers kma folder to your backup HD although that usually takes several hours of waitin around!