CDG to Bin format

[Denis Auger]

I am very please with KHP software, however when loading a soundtrack, the format is only wave format option and also when saving my custom made karaoke songs, it gave you only the CDG format option not the ability of converting CDG format to BIN format which will be great so all my masterpieces that I maded can be burn into a CD-R/RW.

Right now, I am stock with CDG files wihtout any possibility of converting them to BIN . I have tried losts and lost of conversion softwares but no luck. It seems that KHP CDG format is not compatible with such software.

Any suggestion? Normally, I should be able to burn thoses CDG format files to a CD-R/RW. My model is: Yamaha 3200E-VK and I am wondering if MTU did test this drive and what was the result?

By the way, I have all MTU products such as: Microstudio 2.315, KHP 3.1, Vogone 2.0, KeyRite 2.1

[Denis Auger]

Like I already posted in a previous forum for KHP 2.X - 3.X

When you do your own karaoke masterpiece(s), KHP does not provide a option for loading MP3's format and on top of that, when saving your karaoke masterpiece, you can only save them into CDG which is fine but should we have the option of also saving it into a BIN format .

Since we all know that in order to play your masterpiece on other Karaoke machine ( not just with your PC software ), the CDG format needs to be convert into a BIN format in order to be recorded on a CD and to play also on any other Karaoke machine player.

In my case, I was surprised that I have made such good job at it, since I'm new to this karaoke stuff, but I was really in shock when I could not save/convert/decode my CDG's file into a BIN format so I can burn them into a blank CD to play it at my favorite karaoke bar that I usually go to sing.


I have tried lots and lots of conversion softwares but it seems that KHP CDG files aren't compatible with such software.

Is that right?

Anything in particular in KHP CDG file to prevent such conversion?

Can this be taken into consideration?

Else, KHP is great and fantastic, I am new at this and already my friends told me that I was making a very great job at it so I told them, that I have to give the credit to me and of course MTU

A free conversion tool to convert from CDG to BIN may be, will be more then welcome...

Well, that's all folks! Take care and keep on the good work...

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This post can be also transfer, if applicable, to the KHP Features request forum.

[George]

Denis said:

Since we all know that in order to play your masterpiece on other Karaoke machine ( not just with your PC software ), the CDG format needs to be convert into a BIN format in order to be recorded on a CD and to play also on any other Karaoke machine player.

No, we do not all know that, since most commercially marketed cdg's are in CDG format.

The cdg's produced in Khp and saved as .cdg play just fine on Karaoke players..

Don't quite understand where you're coming from.

George

[Denis Auger]

Well, I did try myself to burn into a CD with the CDG format, and it does not work. I thought it was my CD Burner: Yamaha 3200E-VK model. But after testing and verifying that my CD Burner could read and write CD + G format, my masterpiece was just a piece of carbage on the screen.

By the way, I was told by many all professional music editors, that in order to play on any other karaoke machine player, you need to convert CDG to BIN format.

Now what can I say! Their are professiononal since I did not know that, I am new at this...

[George]

Denis,

Open Microstudio, and click on DETECT DRIVES. If it says NO to Karaoke, chances are your drive is not supported to write CDG.

There are a profileration of burners out there that claim to read/write cdg that will not. That's why MTU bench tests and CDG certifies the ones they sell. If they all worked that claim to, MTU wouldn't have to do that.

If it says YES, then there is a good chance that you are experiencing poor results due to the media.

MTU markets a premier grade media, specifically designed to handle cdg. There are others on the market that work well also.

All I use is either MTU's or Mitsui. They are of equal quality. It's my understanding that TDK and Verbatim are good also, but I wouldn't swear to it.

George

[mlepine]

Denis,

Both bin & cdg means the same here, MTU uses the CDG format but it is identical to the bin format you would be using in another software.

Your Yamaha drive is capable (I have one) or reading the cdg format but not with the latest version of Microstudio.

A cdg file saved in hard drive could easily be converted to a bin file if you wish, but no need to do this if you are using Microstudio!

Salut!

[mlepine]

Denis,

your Yamaha drive should be compatible with your Microstudio 2.315 but I dont understand why you would want to use the bin format?

Microstudio can burn your cdg file on a cdr? What other software are you using for your bin format?

By the way, if you wish to upgrade to latest hoster or microstudio you will not be able to use your Yamaha drive anymore because the driver installed in those software only recognized the Plextor brand.

[Denis Auger]

Well, thank you for the information George...

I was just about ready to go buy a Plextor so I'm glad that my Yamaha model: 3200E-VK can burn however I do not understand when I take a real karaoke sing from a original karaoke CD and imported into Microstudio, that the song is completly carbage? ( lots of dots and can't even see the words????)

My Yamaha model is suppose to read and write just fine CD + G format!

Is there anyway of adjsuting the speed of reading and writing with Microstudio that I can bring it down to either 1x or 2x?

By the way, Yamaha has withdraw from the market from making any CD-R/RW. ( see their web site in tech support )

Denis Auger

[Denis Auger]

[quote]Originally posted by mlepine
[b]Denis,

your Yamaha drive should be compatible with your Microstudio 2.315 but I dont understand why you would want to use the bin format?

Microstudio can burn your cdg file on a cdr? What other software are you using for your bin format?


Thanks for the info, however with my Yamaha model: 3200E-VK, the result are awfull . I have imported a song from a karaoke disc and when I played it in microstudio, it was completly a massacre. ( No words but lots of dots ). I was ready to buy a Plextor but I still believe that my model should do the job just fine.


For other softwares I tried to use was: MP3toolz, Mbryo CD + G Creator but the company has withdraw from making it anymore.
and finally MP3decoder.


None of them have successfully convert my CDG to BIN since I think MTu CDG's file are not compatible but I am not sure on this...

[mlepine]

Denis,

The reason I believe you have all these dots with your Yamaha is because you have your DMA enable and it's allergic to it!!

If you disable it you should get a nice graphic?

MTU does recommend to keep it enable all the time but the exception is for this drive only. Disable both the burner drive & your hard drive and please let us know...

Regards

[mlepine]

Quote by Denis:

My Yamaha model is suppose to read and write just fine CD + G format!

You are correct Denis, this drive in my opinion is capable of doing the job for the CDG format. With the DMA disable or with the MMC Deinterleave mode it would do a great job.

The problem again in my opinion is the driver use & not as much the burner.

regards

[admin]

Originally posted by Denis Auger
Well, I did try myself to burn into a CD with the CDG format, and it does not work. I thought it was my CD Burner: Yamaha 3200E-VK model. But after testing and verifying that my CD Burner could read and write CD + G format, my masterpiece was just a piece of carbage on the screen.

By the way, I was told by many all professional music editors, that in order to play on any other karaoke machine player, you need to convert CDG to BIN format.

Now what can I say! Their are professiononal since I did not know that, I am new at this...

Professionals say BIN must be used? They may be music pros, but they know nothing about the Karaoke CDG formats! George's answer above is correct. The .cdg extension that MTU uses, which we created, is exactly the track format on a CDG disc. Be aware that some programs that work with MP3+G formats title their "G" files .cdg also. However, they are not. The true CDG format, as found on a CDG disc, contains the music, not just the RW codes as their "cdg" format files do. That format was evolved to support the theft focused crack sites, which toolz was one of the leaders in the crack tool theft software.

The .bin extension is NOT a safe industry standard. It is NORMALLY used for making entire disc backups, not for individual tracks. As such, to have a single track with a .bin extension, when you can also have an entire disc image with the same .bin extension, clearly is not safe. A file extension, to be a standard, can ONLY relate to one file type. FYI: .bin can also be used for a CDROM disc image, which has nothing at all to do with Karaoke CDGs format.

The softwares you mentioned are - to my knowledge - crack tools. Thus, you got what you paid for. Please, don't compare professional software like Microstudio to crack tools that are no longer available.

If you want to use software that supports the .bin extension, CDRWIN is the author of the .bin extension. They have a free demo you can download and use. However, they too will have the same problem Microstudio is having with your Yamaha.

The problem you are relating about your Yamaha is EXACTLY why MTU stopped shipping Yamaha drives. There are some who believe this is a good drive, but our experience, reconfirmed here, proves different.

Microstudio, with a stable CDG Certified CD Burner, will properly import individual tracks, play them and write .cdg files (imported from CDG disc tracks or made from KHP) to a new disc.

Your delima has been repeated in these Forums many, many times. Microstudio, a Plextor CDG Certified drive, and KHP will work together to do exactly what you want to do.

That is why we sell CDG Certified drives, to GUARANTEE you that when you buy from MTU, it will do CDG work. Yamaha stopped properly supporting the CDG format commands back with their 8024 model, which was the last we tried to sell of their drives.

OK, mlepine, I'm sure you have something to say on this subject, but read the facts in this post, and the software being used. Try to stick to the facts in this Thread.

What can I say? Your other crack toolz programs don't properly support the true .bin or .cdg format. There are MANY, MANY, MANY users who simply use Windows Explorer to change our .cdg file extension to .bin and then write our KHP created songs out with CDRWIN to a CDR drive. HEY!!!! Did you ever stop to wonder why your crack tools are no longer available? Maybe it is because the don't care to fix their problems and the support and ugly emails became overwhelming. That's ususally why someone drops a product.

Also, please be aware that George is correct about the MEDIA. If you use bad media, you will also get carbage (or rather garbage) on the screen. CDG Karaoke Players are very unforgiving... but I doubt if your "professional music" friends know that either.

[mlepine]

Can't add anything to Admin's comments!!

The only thing I can say is that the Yamaha needs to have the DMA disable to work & I know you did confirm this in the past...
The Plextor brand is by far the way to go but for now he might want to try my suggestion? It worked for me...

Thanks

[jahern]

I have worked with bin files created by cdrwin of Karaoke cd's (CDG's). I've changed the extension .bin to .cdg, worked with the various MTU applications and everything was Leave It To Beaver. (Worked splendidly)

[Denis Auger]

Originally posted by admin
CDG Karaoke Players are very unforgiving... but I doubt if your "professional music" friends know that either.

Well, They are in music for quite some time (over 10 years doing professionnal music and about 5 years karaoke music) so of course I thought they were leading me on the right track. But it does not matter now.

I went out and bought yesterday the Plextor CD-R/RW " Plextor Premium /SW/BL which is: 52 X 32 X 52 so now what's your comments about this drive? Any test on this drive?

By the way, I started to surf about 2 months ago so I'm sorry if I did post the CDG to BIN issue all over the forums.

I did not means to mix-up the forums. However as for me the CDG to BIN issue is case close so we will stick to the fact.


By the way, I know my written may be bad but I'm french so at least I'm trying to get better of writing your language.

I do not use any crack tools anymore they cause me problem anyway. I just use your products but now I know that your CDG format were the first ever format to be use for karaoke, I will stick to that. One thing I like to know, when you had graphics ( movie )
those the your products can help us do the job? And those the CDG format stays the same or you need another software for that?

I could not buy your certified CDG drive, which was my first choice, because do not ship in Canada so i have to go with another alternative and that's exactly what I did. I hope however this Plextor will do the job fine else I quit karaoke for good.

Best regards...

[Denis Auger]

Originally posted by mlepine
The only thing I can say is that the Yamaha needs to have the DMA disable to work & I know you did confirm this in the past...
The Plextor brand is by far the way to go but for now he might want to try my suggestion? It worked for me...
Thanks

Thanks mlepine for your suggestions but I did try it but it froze and damage all of my windows setup and I had to re-install Windows again.

Anyway, I can see that we do at least have one thing in commons, is that Plextor is to way to go if I want my masterpiece to be done properly.

I got frustarted at the whole thing and I did resolve the issue by going out yesterday to buy a Plextor Premium /SW/BL which is: 52 x 32 x 52 so now I guess, I will not have to convert my masterpieces from CDG to BIN.

Best regards and thanks again.