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Originally Posted by Musicman51
If "Your" "private property" is open to the public. It is no longer private. Just because you own and run a bar, does not give you the right to pick and choose which laws you intend to keep. Under your theory, you can deny me the free equal use of your bar simply because i'm a hillbilly with bad spellen... lol
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That is exactly my point. If I chose to, I could deny you access for any reason I so choose. It is not your God given right to be in my PRIVATE business. I have kicked people out simply because they are too stupid to be here. That is not a general hatred of stupid people, but driven by the market forces. If I allow this idiot to stay, how many good paying customers am I going to lose?
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Originally Posted by Musicman51
You are again...by the "majority"..told, ordered, enforced to..keep noise at a minimum, not sell illegal drugs, allow prostatution, gamling etc.
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The examples you give (other than the noise) are illegal anywhere, anytime. Not "magically" illegal when they walk in the door. Besides, I would not allow those things in the bar because of market pressure, not because it is illegal. I don't get fined if some prostitute is caught trying to pick up a John. I would kick her out because she is bothering my paying customers.
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Originally Posted by Musicman51
I can expect to walk into your "Private" open to the public, licensed liquor establishment, and expect you to ensure my health, safety, and well being. If you choose not to because it is your own "private" open to the public for profit property. It won't be for long..
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I don't run a daycare or nursing home. You assume a certain risk by being in the bar. As far as longevity, I have been doing this for the last 20 years. Don't think that people haven't tried to sue me, they have. But I have not lost a single case yet. If it were by my own doing that someone got hurt, I would feel morally responsible and be glad to do whatever needed to be done, but that hasn't happened yet. The only injuries that have occurred were either their own fault, or the fault of another.
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Dale...my brothers wife says his nasty disgusting football habit all winter is starting to git the best of her, and is taking a tole on her health. Under your therory. He has a "right" to his disgusting habit {according to his wife} as well. I will tell him, that he has the "right" to watch football at any bar and resturant in the area because he's a tax payer. And they best supply him with television sets. Or at the very least a seprate room away from his wife, and others who hate football to enjoy his nasty disgusting {according to his wife} addition.  |
They are called sports bars. They are there because of a market for them, not because it is some "Right" him, or his wife, has.
On the public safety front. I don't have bouncers. I always thought they cause more trouble than they are worth. Many bars do have them though. Do you think they have a bouncer there to protect you? Not hardly. The bouncer is there to protect the interest of the bar only.
Checking IDs to make sure the bar doesn't get fined.
Kicking out rowdy people to keep the good paying customers.
Keeping the perverts away from the pretty girls to ensure the good looking girls are there to attract the guys.
Stopping fights because it is hard to sell drinks when a fight is going on, and you don't want to alienate your good paying customers.
Keep people from destroying the bars property.
None of these duties are explicitly geared toward the customer's health and safety, they only overlap by coincidence.
On another front, I am only 1 week away from the due date of my first grandson. My wife and I are very excited. And no, I won't be smoking around him
I'll leave that choice to him when he is old enough to chose whether or not he wants to be around that. I feel bad for the rest of you that won't be getting a grandson for Christmas, but don't hate me because I am
