i will try all the suggestions today (monday). by the way, i feel like an idiot. when posting my question last night i never looked to see which section of the community i was in and it came out in the buy and sell. to make matters worse i searched for an option to move my question realizing it was in the wrong place and made it worse by duplicating it elsewhere. sorry --- carljohn
ADMIN NOTE: Dale is excellent in moving Threads where they are most visible to get the help needed.
